Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!UTCVM.BITNET!MQUINN From: MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: Whining: (Re: Apple Doesn't support their Existing User Base) Message-ID: <9106032338.AA02665@apple.com> Date: 3 Jun 91 23:09:26 GMT References: Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 75 On Sun, 2 Jun 91 01:35:24 GMT Jerry Penner said: > >Please! Can everyone quit whining about support from Apple or lack >thereof!?! I'm starting to get a little sick of some people trying to undermine what I say by saying I (and many others) are 'whining'. FIRST of all, I was NOT whining. I was stating the facts as they are. I've been sitting back, trying not to get involved in this discussion again, but I saw too many posts basically saying that the lack of support issue is non-existant. > Nothing you say on this forum in such a negative tone is >going to help *at all* to improve Apple's strategy for the II line. 'Negative tone'? I've been holding back trying NOT to do that. If the facts sound negative, I can't help that. If you think pointing out the facts to people that don't see them will do no good, you must think that the press does no good when they report the news. People find out things about some subject and act on that information. If they never heard of the problem, they can't do anything to help it. >And it certainly doesn't help any developers decide to keep working on >new software for the Apple II. Any developers that make (or made) software for the II have already made their decision to either pull out or stick with it. Developers are probably more aware of the problem than I am anyway, so I doubt anything I say would alter their decision one way or the other... although they might decide to tell apple of the problem, which would most likely help. The best way to get software companies to write software for the II is to get apple on the ball and support the II. >If you'd vent your energy in something >a little more creative and positive, you'd probably be a lot happier >about your machine. Just the opposite! But before I get into that, what makes you think I'm *NOT* doing something creative? I'm in the process of writing two applications right now. One's a game and the other is a utility that can be used for MANY things. I've also written articles and created graphics for GS+ magazine. I show off GS software on the ONLY GS our campus has. What more shall I do? As for being happier about my machine if I did this, all it does is make me frustrated that I have this machine, which has great -potential- and could compete if improved, and I'm doing everything I can do, but apple just won't do anything to help it (although, some of these rumors look like apple may be changing their minds... God, I hope so!) >If your computer is so lousy then sell it. My computer is not lousy... the support I get for it IS. Besides, I couldn't get anything for it even it I DID try to sell it because everyone thinks that it's either not a good computer or they think that it's not supported, and many people think both. >I >like mine and I plan to keep using and programming it for years, even >if Apple never makes a new II CPU. Well, good for you. I plan on doing the same, but it sure would be a hell of a lot nicer if it were as equally powerful as other computers in it's price range (a '386 or even an LC). >Every few weeks another Apple whine thread is started. Next time you >feel the urge to whine, just press 'k' on your newsreader. Starting >with the next post after this one I'm going to do just that. Believe me, I'd appreciate if you did just that. About the whining bit you keep repeating, read above. > Jerry Penner Edmonton, Alberta, Canada >jpenne@bode.ee.ualberta.ca or alberta!bode!jpenne ---------------------------------------- BITNET-- mquinn@utcvm <------------send files here pro-line-- mquinn@pro-gsplus.cts.com