Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!mimsy!cookie.enet.dec.com From: berenson@cookie.enet.dec.com (Coffee: Nature's Productivity Tool 04-Jun-1991 1043) Newsgroups: rec.guns Subject: IPSC and Revolvers Message-ID: <35227@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 4 Jun 91 20:04:24 GMT Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu Lines: 69 Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu IPSC has definitely turned into a development environment for firearms of the future, more than a reflection of the current "practical" firearms. Compensators are finally starting to make their way into actual combat handguns (the 686 and 640 Carry-Comps are examples for revolver fans...and some special forces and swat units are looking at comps for their semi-autos). With the advent of the new EPC electronic sight, I think you'll see electronic sights in actual combat use very very soon. It is IPSC competition that lead to these developments. The response to this trend of IPSC reflecting the future rather than today, unfortunately chases away new shooters. The result is that a parallel "Stock Class" is coming into being. It is mostly informal now, but I predict that it will be completely in place within 2 years. My own club has instituted a High Stock/Tactical award with the intent of expansion if it is well received. So far, we are running nearly 50% stock guns at our matches since instituting the award. If this keeps up, we will probably expand to parallel Stock/Open clases. USPSA thinking seems to be running along the same lines, with this year's nationals rewarding Stock shooters and some thinking about separate classifications for Stock vs Open, etc. As for revolvers, this is a tough problem. It is part real, and part psychological. Given two shooters of identical capability, the one with a semi-auto will outperform the one with the revolver in IPSC competition. Sometimes this is preordained by course designs which require more than 6 shots from one shooting position. But, even when this is not the case, semi-autos can be shot just a little faster, definitely reload faster and are less prone to fumbled reloads. This causes most IPSC competitors to go to a semi-auto, even if they intend to shoot a stock gun. The psychological factor is quite clear...people feel that revolvers are non-competitive and therefore switch or quit the sport. Reality is quite different. First of all, I know two front range revolver shooters who can be in the Top-10 at a Colorado State IPSC Championship every time they shoot. So, its not impossible to be competitive with a revolver. Second, in IPSC you shoot within class. Let's say that on pure talent with a "race gun" you would shoot as an "A" shooter. With a stock revolver, you might actually shoot "B" scores and be so classified. Thus, you would be competitive within class and able to win your class. Next, you really need to focus on competing against yourself rather than against others. I am a nationally ranked "D" shooter who has worked up to "C" locally, and hopefully soon nationally. I go out each match looking to improve my own performance. I like to win my class, but I'm much more interested in my own progress. I'm also a semi-auto shooter, but I compete with a revolver in a local Modified PPC league to hone my revolver skills. I added 100 points to my scores over the course of the league, and the fact that I was still 150 points from the top shooter wasn't particularly important to me. I'd encourage you to compete in IPSC with your revolver. Remember that you compete within class. Also remember that Stock Class is coming, and encourage the club you shoot at to start giving out awards for it *now*. Within Stock Class, revolvers should be quite competitive (unless course designers intentionally design for high-capacity semi-autos). ............................................................................. Hal Berenson Home: 71640.3535@compuserve.com OR oldcolo!berenson@csn.org Work: berenson@cookie.enet.dec.com -- Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are my own, not my employer's! If I happen to communicate with you from work rather than home, its just for convenience (just like asking for a "daytime phone number") and should not be construed as representing the views of my employer or its employees, officers, directors, or stockholders. --