Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!udel!haven.umd.edu!mimsy!UCSD.EDU From: megatek!hollen@UCSD.EDU (Dion Hollenbeck) Newsgroups: rec.guns Subject: Re: Rifle Chamber Measurements (Part 1) Message-ID: <35273@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 5 Jun 91 19:02:34 GMT Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California Lines: 66 Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu In article <35247@mimsy.umd.edu> hes@ccvr1.cc.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes: # Note that this is clearly in the acceptable area, but also notice # how little difference there is. (The danger is that if the case # neck is long enough to jam into the end of the chamber, it will # put pressure on the bullet and hold it in after ignition. This # will cause an increase in pressure within the chamber, and can # lead to such undesirable results as blowing up the gun!) Henry is completely accurate in this respect, with one exception. Benchrest shooters (myself included) when fire-forming new brass will typically seat the bullet out so far that it is inserted into the rifling about .0005". The bullet in the rifling and the base in the boltface squeeze the cartridge in much the same manner as the the head and tailstock in a lathe and cause the the cartridge to be centered in the chamber as much as is possibly. When the round is fired, the bullet indeed does hold in the pressure for a very long time, and this is exactly what the benchrest shooter is looking for. While the pressure is building up, the brass is heating and expanding and by the time the bullet has begun to leave the case, the brass has expanded to EXACTLY fill the chamber. As the brass cools, it will shrink a few ten-thousandths and can be extracted easily without binding. Here is the very dangerous part. We are trying to create a high- pressure situation, but under control. Loads are typically powdered at the extreme low end of the range of the particular recommended range for that powder, end even lower than that. An experienced benchrest reloader will very slowly work the powder up in extremely small increments from that until signs of over pressure are detected (primers flattened or backing out, etc.), and then back down just a little, getting the maximum expansion potential without the danger. The big difference here is that benchrest shooters typically will bring only primed brass (if that) to the range, and use hand dies to carefully craft the ammo as it is shot. In this manner, it can be adjusted for the appropriate conditions (even down to temperature compensation). This takes great care in observing effects of each shot and keeping careful records and having very accurate reloading equipment. Once new brass is fire-formed in this manner, it will only be neck sized from then on, and only about .002" - .003" just so it will put enough tension on the bullet to hold it in the neck. The resulting cases fit the chamber exactly and are inserted (using the headstamp as a guide) in the same orientation as they were fire-formed in as they are subsequently realoaded and shot. In normal benchrest shooting with properly fire-formed brass, different rifles like the bullets different distances off the rifling, but this will typically fall in the .005" to .015" range. The resulting cartridge lengths usually tend to exceed SAAMI specs on this, but are perfectly acceptable if you are shooting one shot at a time from a benchrest. WARNING!!!! Unless you know exactly what you are doing, do not follow any of the above information since without specific knowledge of why, it can be very dangerous. -- ----- Dion Hollenbeck (619) 455-5590 x2814 Megatek Corporation, 9645 Scranton Road, San Diego, CA 92121 uunet!megatek!hollen or hollen@megatek.uucp