Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway From: DOCTORJ@slacvm.slac.stanford.EDU (Jon J Thaler) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: birth control failure? Message-ID: <91151.141639DOCTORJ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Date: 31 May 91 22:34:21 GMT Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center Lines: 22 Approved: tittle@ics.uci.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu In article , muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) says: > >In article <675575737@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.EDU (Hillel Gazit) : >writes > > Did a person who is so "deeply concern" about men has a single word > to say about choice-for-men in a case of birth control failure? > >Why you tossed this irrelevant point in (like, "if you're so concerned >about the environment, what do you have to say about office >air-conditioning?"), I do not know. However, I think I have an answer >for *your* concern. If there is a birth control failure with me and a >man, he is welcome to choose to carry (or otherwise incubate) and raise >the child if he wants to. He can't tell me I have to, though. I think you misunderstood HG's argument. This isn't hard since he seldom posts anything more substantive than one-liners. I think the argument is: Suppose there is a failure of birth control, and the man doesn't want the baby, but the woman does. Since an abortion can't be forced on the woman (it's her decision) shouldn't her decision also carry with it the release of the man from any parental obligations?