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From: ben@cs.warwick.ac.UK (Ben Dessau)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: Sexism vs. Men's Oppression
Message-ID: <1991Jun4.152009.1931@cs.warwick.ac.uk>
Date: 4 Jun 91 16:13:20 GMT
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gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes:


>I have heard feminists' demands for a crack down on fathers who don't
>pay child's support, no matter why they don't pay.  The fact the women
>have had a choice for abortion the last 17 years makes no difference
>for feminist organizations.  They also want the choice to take the
>father to the cleaners, if they feel like that.

	How can you say, Hillel, that a woman would have a *choice* of
whether to have an abortion or not, in your senario of men being
relieved of their financial obligations if he wanted an abortion and
she didn't. The woman's *choice* comes down to: have an abortion or
keep the child and suffer major financial problems for a long time. In
the UK single mothers have the choice of leaving their child with
child - minders / creche, (which a lot of women don't want to do) or
live on government benefits which are  pitifully small.
	This seems to remove the *choice* aspect completely.
-Ben
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