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From: gazit@cs.duke.EDU (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: birth control failure?
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Date: 5 Jun 91 20:06:28 GMT
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In article   <1991Jun4.233445.1484@panix.uucp> (Mara Chibnik) writes:

>As things now stand, women are actively discouraged from seeking
>abortions.  To demand that a man be able to pull out with simple
>efficiency by the announcement that he disowns the pregnancy is
>simply not sufficient unless and until a woman can truly terminate
>the pregnancy without having to undergo the kind of pressuring that
>she now faces.

I want to see "choice for men" and "choice for women" as part of the
same package.  Right now women may have an abortion right in *most*
states, men have "no way out" in every state.  *I* don't think that
the situation is symmetric, feel free to disagree.

>>choice for men in a case of birth control failure, and what kind of
>>choice you may be willing to offer to *MEN*.

>Turn the women's right to an abortion into reality rather than myth,
>and then let's see what we can offer men.

You had a choice from 1974.  In Carter's times there were no actions
against abortion rights.  If you had any intention to agree to choice
for men then you had more than enough time to come to a compromise.
My prediction is that the feminists organizations will be willing
to support "choice for men" only if abortion rights will be at
*risk* and they will be in a desperate need to mass support.

What is your prediction?

cmcl2!panix!mara          Mara Chibnik        mara@dorsai.com

Hillel                                                gazit@cs.duke.edu

"What is so special about Ryan White, when during
this whole disgusting fiasco in the media, there were gay men
dying all over the state of Indiana?"  --  Clay Bond