Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway From: gannon@MDI.COM (Alden Gannon) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: birth control failure? Message-ID: <1991Jun5.211040.17143@MDI.COM> Date: 5 Jun 91 21:24:30 GMT References: <675716623@lear.cs.duke.edu> <1991Jun4.233445.1484@panix.uucp> Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA Lines: 36 Approved: tittle@ics.uci.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zola.ics.uci.edu In article <1991Jun4.233445.1484@panix.uucp> panix!mara@cmcl2.nyu.EDU (Mara Chibnik) writes: >As things now stand, women are actively discouraged from seeking >abortions. To demand that a man be able to pull out with simple >efficiency by the announcement that he disowns the pregnancy is >simply not sufficient unless and until a woman can truly terminate >the pregnancy without having to undergo the kind of pressuring that >she now faces. The argument for men's choice is that women have a *legal* recourse (that is currently being eroded, which is bad) and men do not. Whatever social pressure a woman feels, she will not face fines and a prison sentence if she chooses to have a legal abortion (i.e., not to be a parent). Since men who choose not to be parents face fines and prison terms, this is a sexist law. Consider a society in which women are jailed for terminating pregnancy. Analogously, men live in just such a society in the U.S. Although I generally agree with Hillel's propsal, reread mine for further clarification of the logistics of men's choice. >>choice for men in a case of birth control failure, and what kind of >>choice you may be willing to offer to *MEN*. > >Turn the women's right to an abortion into reality rather than myth, >and then let's see what we can offer men. If I understand you, you are claiming that even a federally guaranteed right to abortion (as provided by Roe v. Wade) is not sufficient, and that we must somehow alter people's *opinions* to satisfy you. Since there is no way to show when this has been accomplished, I must assume you don't believe men should ever be offered choice. I hope I can convince you otherwise! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alden B. Gannon, the Chaste. INTERNET: gannon%mdi.com@uunet.uu.net "Become who you are!" - F. Nietzsche. USENET: ..uunet!mdi.com!gannon