Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu (John Graves) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: St Paul and Women Message-ID: Date: 4 Jun 91 02:58:22 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Duke University Medical Center Lines: 53 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article smithjh@argus.CS.ORST.EDU (Jeremy Smith) writes about what Paul has said in rebuttal to a previous argument using Paul's teachings: > Ah, but in I Timothy 2:12-14: > "I do not permit a woman to teach nor to excercise authority over a > man, but to be in silence. For Adam first was formed, then Eve. And > Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived came into > transgression." According to Dr. Jeffrey Hopper, Professor of Theology at the Methodist Theological School in Delaware, Ohio, in his textbook, Understanding Modern Theology I: Cultural Revolutions and & New Worlds, ...Careful examination has convincingly shown that Hebrews, 1 and 2 Timothy, and Titus cannot have been written by Paul, and many scholars are persuaded that Ephesians, Colossians, and 2 Thessalonians must also be designated as Deutero-Pauline (that is, written by someone else in the tradition of Pauline teaching). The factors involved in these judgments (and the arguments and counterarguments) are quite complex. They include differences in language, style, and theological teaching, and indications of later circumstances, such as the assumption of the postapostolic church order evident in 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus. (p. 149) In other words, this letter to Timothy may have been an attempt by a postapostolic church which was dominated by men, to serve as a foundation for maintaining their positions. If so, it is an apostasy forced on the Christian community in its choice as canon under a forgery of Paul's name. I would remind you that in one of the "real" Pauline text, Romans, Paul at 16:1-2 says: I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon (or minister-footnote) of the church at Cenchreae, so that you may welcome her in the Lord as is fitting for the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a benefactor of many and of myself as well. and in verse 16:7: Greet Andronicus and Junia (other ancient authorities read Julia-ftnote), my relatives (or compatriots-ftnote) who were in prison with me; they are prominent among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was. The real Paul clearly accepts the role and authority of women as deacon and apostle. John Allan Graves Unitarian Universalism Duke University An inclusive religion! and all its components () including the Divinity School, \__/ disavow anything I say. II