Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: jclark@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (John Clark) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Sabbath change and History (was a question for those in love ...) Message-ID: Date: 4 Jun 91 03:50:06 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 40 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article davidbu@loowit.wr.tek.com (David E. Buxton) writes: + +Waldenses in France - 13th Century + + "To destroy completely these heretics Pope Innocent III sent Dominican + inquisitors into France, and also crusaders, promising "a plenary rem- + ission of all sins, to those who took on them the crusade . . . + against the Albigenses." (Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. XII, art. "Ray- + mond VI," p. 670) Weren't these people also called 'Cathars'. I recall that the group was the subject of the only intra-western euorpean crusade. The Cathars had a number of beliefs which put them on the wrong side of the papal fence. However, the day of worship I don't recall as being one. There are a number of inovations which are attributed to the Catholic Church by various protestent groups. If one subscribes to a protestent 'theology' then any number of points of protest may be raised. However, just because the Roman Church declared some beliefs heresy, does not imply that those beliefs were representative of 'true' Christianity. The standard anti-Catholic party line seems to always attribute the revival or introduction of non-absolutely-derivable-from-Jewish-antecedents to the evil one and hence implicates that church which has had the most history of such introductions. This yet another reason why one should not become a Christian since one could join the wrong group and end up in eternal damnation just as if one had never joined at all. As for SDA's open view of questioning fundamentals, does anyone have the story as to why Kellog went his way around the turn of the century. The story I heard was that Kellog questioned E. G. White's abilities and was, after some debate, dismissed from the the church, or left on a strong invitation to do so. -- John Clark jclark@ucsd.edu