Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!rex!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eagle!data.nas.nasa.gov!news From: cyee@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Chut Ngeow YEE) Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern Subject: The Nature and Function of a Guru Message-ID: <1991Jun3.160417.8006@nas.nasa.gov> Date: 3 Jun 91 16:04:17 GMT Sender: news@nas.nasa.gov Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA Lines: 106 Approved: prabhu@amelia.nas.nasa.gov Here is piece by Da Avabhasa, about the nature and function of a guru. It is an except from a rather humorous talk called "The Gorilla Sermon"(1972). "When you are dreaming, you take the dream very seriously. You assume your role within it, your drama within it. You respond to the condition that seems to be so, whatever the particular circumstances of the dream. If the gorilla is chasing you up the beach, you feel all the threat. All the emotions become involved, all of your strategies of survival, or non-survival, become involved. If it is a sweet, enhoyable, astral sort of dream, with all kinds of friends and voices and colors and movements, you assume that to be so. You float around in it. You take it seriously. You ASSUME it to be so. You assume it because you have no other point of view from which to enjoy or suffer the dream except that of the dreamer. But when you wake up in the morning, the gorilla that was just about to bite off your head losses all significance. All of the implications of that are already undone in one who is awake. It no longer has any real significance, it no longer has any implication for life. It no longer is a genuine threat to life. it no longer is anything except that appearance. And the only difference is that you are awake. Nothing has been done to the dream itself. You have only awakened, and therefore the dream is obviously not your condition. Understanding is very much this same kind of thing. Understanding is to the waking state what the waking state is to the dream. In the ordinary waking state you assume all conditions to be so: my life, my symptoms, my knot in my stomach, my headaches, my fear, my everything else, my circumstance, my poverty, my need to do this and that, my death, the news, the war, and all that appears in life, we all take it very seriously. Here we are, in this spiritual place, this Ashram. We are very seriously here to get out of all of this. Everyone has come here very seriously for this very serious purpose, if I were to tell you to go home and recite "harry-umpty-ump", concentrate on the inner green light, or believe in Master Gumbo, what would I be doing? I would be offering you an alternative within the dream itself. I would be asking you to remain within the condition of dreams. I would only be telling you to dream another kind of dream. "Don't worry about your headaches". "Recite the mantra all the time". I would simply be exploiting the dream itself, which in this case is the ordinary waking state. I would be recommending experience to you as the path of Truth. But all of that is more of the same thing. It is only another condition for you to take seriously and assume to be your own. Understanding is not a form of philosophy. it is not a method. it is not something within the "dream" itself. it is like the waking state as opposed to the dream. The man of understanding, the true Guru, the Heart is radically conscious, real, alive, free by his very nature from the implications of the ordinary waking state, of all states. But the ordinary yogi, the usual teacher, the philosopher, is a role within the "dream" of waking. He operates from its point of view. He is identified with it, suffering or happy within it. His dilemma is there. His realization, however extraordinary it may appear, is an artifice whose roots are in the condition or point of view of the "dream". he is only recommending some distraction to you, some occupation, some solution within the "dream" itself. But the Heart, understanding, is simply awake. Understanding is the true waking state, the Self, Reality. It has no philosophy, no subtle vision, no peculiar state associated with it. Like one in a dream, one who understands is not presently affected by the waking state. But, unlike one who dreams or appears within a dream, he is always, already, consciously free. The waking state is simply a radically different condition from the dream. That is why you feel free of the dream upon waking. The Guru appears in the midst of the dreams of ordinary waking life like sunlight in the morning. When you are still dreaming, still asleep, the sun comes up. it gets brighter and brighter, and the light comes into the room. At last, the light, the day itself becomes sufficient to wake you, and then, all of a sudden, you are not dreaming, and everything is all right. The Guru is simply that sunlight process, that intensification, rising on you always, without any other special activity. His relationship to you, your condition of relationship to him, just that relationship is sufficient. There is only sunlight on the pillow until that intensity is sufficient to wake you up. It is the kiss of the Prince and Sleeping Beauty. Such is understanding. But the teachings that are generated in the great search are all exploitations of your dream-state. They take it seriously, they assume it to be the present condition, even if it is regarded to be only temporary. And that is the fundamental error of all traditional and remedial paths. They are all generated from the point of view of your suffering. They serve your suffering, and they reinforce it in spite of themselves. Therefore, to the seeker, to the man suffering in dreams, the teachings of the ordinary yogis and philosopher seem very hopeful. They seem to represent something very desirable." DA AVABHASA the method of the siddhas As you see this view of Reality is radically from the point of views proposed by varous people in recent postings. I remember reading something similar in Mahayana Buddhist Sutras. For example the Diamond Sutra talks about '...a realizer sees that there is no multiple beings to be delivered [from unenlightenment] ...'. Also the sixth patriah Hui-Neng changed the four great vows or Mahayana Buddhism from 1) I vow to deliever all the infinite beings ... to 1) I vow to deliever all the infinite beings of Self-nature ... He humorously added the term Self-nature to negagte the 'sickness' that an approaching disciple vow to get rid of. Indeed if Nirvana is no different from Samsara and if a blade of grass, a stone a river etc is nothing but Buddha-nature then all the notions of suffering and sickness and non-enlightenment is nothing but dreams and illusions. About John Chq view that an enlightened being is a pointer to the 'truth'... I think this is also one of the core teaching of Khrisnamurti. But in order to point to something then the pointer has to be separated to the object pointed to. So do you meant to say that an enlightened being is forever separated from truth or Buddha-nature? Or what are you trying to convey? I suggest that a Realiser, an Enlightened One is no different from the Truth. (S)He lives the Truth in human-bodily form and his(her) 'function' in the world is simply that of being the sunshine that awakens us from our dream. Yee.