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From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
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Subject: Re: Ahadith dilemma: # of prayers/day
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Date: 5 Jun 91 13:37:22 GMT
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In article <1991Jun2.200751.21167@wpi.WPI.EDU> rached@kaa.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout) writes:
>
>About 5 or 3 times a day for prayer:
>	This is the first time I heared of a 3 times a day prayers anywhere,
>	to tell you the truth, I was shocked because I always took it
>	for granted that muslims know this fact early enough.


The shea't do pray 3 times a day due to 2 reasons that I have heared

1- They say that we are travelling in this life (ala safar), i.e. life
   on earth, so we can do kasr.

2- They say that you don't actually know exactly when the zuhr or Asr time
   comes, so to be sure, you pray them together (it did not make 
   much sense to me, someone may clarify please).  The same is applied to 
   Isha prayer, you actually know when maghreb and fajr due to sun
   rus and sun down.

   But the above did not make sense to me because if that was the case, then
   why didn't Sayyedna Muhammad (SAAWS) pray 3 times.  Or why did we
   call it asr and zuhr, why wasn't it called the 8 rukaat of the mid day, 
   and the 7 rukaat of the night.


This among other things did not make sense to me, like including
Ali Bin Abi Talib (RAA) in the prayer and Athan (ashuadu anna ali wali allah).
Do you really think that Sayyedna Muhammad (SAAWS) ordered Bilal (RAA)
to say athan including Ali's (RAA) name, I really doubt it.

I wittnessed a shea't woman geting up as she was sitting, 
she said "YA ALI" , she's asking Ali's help to get her up. Do we muslims
think that Ali will respond to her request, or Allah (SWT).

I don't have any hatrage against our shea't brothers (we are all muslims),
but I tend to think that they carry it too much in the above, as well in
cutting the body in sympathy to AL-hasan and AL-husain.

However, "inna Allho ghafooran raheema" (God is forgiving and mercyfull).
I think a shea't that prays is better than a sunni (by name) that is killed
his muslim brothers in the gulf.


Mahmoud


>	The prophet (PBUH) used to pray five times a day, Allah (SWT) has
>	given us a ROUKHSA kind of to ease it on us, to be able to combine
>	prayers in some circumstances.
>	From what I know that when you are travelling you are allowed to
>	combine (Asr and Zuhur) in the time of Zuhur or Asr; and Maghrib and
>	Isha (in the time of Maghrib or Isha) and even you can pray Zuhur
>	two rakaas instead of four and so for Asr and Isha but not MAghrib.
>	But still it is not permitted to do anything other than that (like
>	combining fajr and zuhur).
>	The prophet (PBUH) used also (not many times as the Hadith that was
>	mentioned in the original posting mentions) to combine prayers
>	(observing the same rules above) while not travelling. I should
>	emphasize that he did not do that often. So the Ulama (Knowlegeable
>	people) have deduced that you could (if you are tired or you have
>	any other reason) join two prayers as long as you do not make this a
>	habit (once in a liftime or so ...).
>	But all of this does not even justify one questionning if prayer
>	should be observed 3 or 5 times a day.
>	Another advice for all on the network, please do not read ayas and
>	ahadith and think that you now know it all and start building
>	conclusions on that, this is very dangerous since you are not sure
>	that you have looked at all the evidence. A good way is to read also
>	what the Ulama have said about the issue and if you have access to
>	someone with knowledge ask him/her about it but do not jump hastily
>	(sp ?) to conclusions
>
>-- 
>"I bear witness that there is only one god, and that Muhammad is his
>messenger"