Xref: utzoo alt.bbs.internet:515 comp.admin.policy:318 Newsgroups: alt.bbs.internet,comp.admin.policy Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eagle!falcon.lerc.nasa.gov!tfabian From: tfabian@falcon.lerc.nasa.gov (Teddy Fabian) Subject: Re: 804 dialout Message-ID: <1991Jun7.050512.29949@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> Keywords: DIALOUT Sender: news@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center References: <1991Jun2.211543.15194@rodan.acs.syr.edu> <1991Jun3.134026.11020@athena.mit.edu> <1991Jun4.143647.4165@rodan.acs.syr.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1991 05:05:12 GMT In article <1991Jun4.143647.4165@rodan.acs.syr.edu> dbarberi@rodan.acs.syr.edu (12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678) writes: >In article <1991Jun3.134026.11020@athena.mit.edu> purdon@athena.mit.edu (James R. Purdon III) writes: >>> --I write: >>> The fact still remains that your dialout is extremely accesible to >>> anyone in the internet community. >>> >>> When you login to this dialout do you have a statement warning >>> users that it is only for UofV people? If not, how is a person to >>> know that they may taking "advatage of it"?? (btw- I've never >>> used this dialout so don't flame me if there IS such a note :-) >> >>I take it you have such a statement on your car, house, and all your personal >>belongings, right? If not, I guess you won't mind me using them, right? > > I find your logic here a bit wobbled. My car is locked, and you need > a key to start it, a key that only I have. The same goes for my house, > it is locked and you need a key to gain entry. These dialouts do not > require any sort of 'key' (read: password) to enter.> whether the dialouts in question have a password on them or not isn't the issue.. the issue is whether or not it's right for you or me (or any of a thousand other people) to use something to their advantage that isn't meant for them to use.. consider how you would feel if you put a device on the network for your own use or for a few friends.. that device, let's say, could store ten 100 mg files.. you only put 5 files in the device.. leaving space for 5 more.. the device is still totally accessible, but only half available.. I come along and discover the device.. I put 4 files onto the device... things continue unknown to you.. until you try to put 3 more files on the device.. is it wrong for me to take advantage of your kindness??? I think it is.. will you be upset upon finding my files?? I think you will.. here, someone has stumbled upon a dialout modem or two.. and they've advertised the fact.. now the provider of the modem is upset/mildly annoyied/or whatever you want to call it.. and you don't understand his point.. you don't walk up and take a public garbage can because it's standing on the corner open and available.. but you're more than willing to take services (via modem) that are standing (connectted) around the network.. I think you've got to rethink your ideas... > >>For the most part, machines are placed on the internet to enhance >>communications, not to make a private resource publicly available. > > I would consider a dialout a means to 'enhance communications' :-) > My point still remains intact. How is a person to know that the > dialout he or she is using is a 'private resource' and not to be > used outside that specific university or company? There are many, many > computers, information services, etc that allow internet users free > access to anyone who calls. sure, and compuserve is going to provide free email capability to everyone on Mars too... are you living in a cave?? no company or university is going to give you (an outsider) something for nothing.. they're not in business to do that... if they do, they certainly wouldn't be in business long... > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >David Barberi | "Support the Electronic Frontier Foundation!" | >Syracuse University |--------------------------------------------------| >S.I. Newhouse School of | Bitnet: Dbarberi@SUNRISE | >Public Communications | Internet: Dbarberi@Rodan.acs.syr.edu | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ obviously, one of the texts you've avoided in your studies of communications is THE CUCKOO'S EGG by Clifford Stoll... I suggest you read it, then maybe you'l will realize why the wise man would learn to use the RN message cancellation feature... -- ---------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Ted Fabian NASA Lewis Research Center tfabian@falcon.lerc.nasa.gov *my opinions tfabian@mars.lerc.nasa.gov *are my own..