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From: otto@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (John Otto)
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Subject: Re: Ohio State University CIS Policies
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Date: 8 Jun 91 03:13:13 GMT
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In article <1991Jun4.160947.7193@eng.umd.edu>, russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes...
>In article <1991Jun3.232500.24850@ms.uky.edu> morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:
>>In article <1991Jun3.173550.13928@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl Kadie) writes:

>>>The fatal flaw in the policies is the lack of any notion of due
>>>process. It looks like a student or a faculty member could be
>>>suspending or expelled from the computer system at the whim of sys
>>>admin without recourse to a formal hearing.

>>Why, oh why, is *everything* turning into a "formal" or "due
>>process" situation?  We've never had any problem with a student...

>I was barred from use of the computer systems at the UMCP computer science
>center without warning.  The message put up when I attempted to log on told
..
>back to the 'system administrator'.  I got sick of the obvious runaround, and
>went and applied for a number of new accounts under phony names.  Eventually,
>they brought me to the judicial programs office or having all those accounts,
>and I was found responsible for 'theft of services'.

>If there had been some sort of due process in the first place, perhaps I
>wouldn't have had such trouble.  Informal stuff only works when both sides are
>trying for a real solution-- not when the side with more power only wants to
>avoid what they percieve as a problem by getting rid of the student involved.

My favorites are when it's the administration that's violating one's 
rights (both when recognized by law and not).  If you or your daddy's not a 
lawyer or politico, you can petition for redress of grievance all you want 
and the bozos get away with it.

Current policies requiring abuse of socialist insecurity numbers come to 
mind.