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From: baechler@disuns2.epfl.ch (Emmanuel Baechler)
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Subject: Re: CLOS' popularity
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Date: 6 Jun 91 07:29:05 GMT
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> 
> In the paragraph following the one you quote above, I wrote
> 
>    I still don't have a machine that's big enough to run the big
>    Common Lisp implementations together with their programming
>    environments ...
> 
> The machine on my desk is a SPARCstation.
> 
> The amount of memory does matter.  Still.
 
  In my lab, we have lisp machines (Symbolics) and SparcStations. My desk
machine is a Symbolics. However, I use suns from time to time, and I read
my mail (and News) on a sun. Their environnment is more primitive than what
you can find on a lispm, but they are fast and I never encountered a
memory problem, neither did any of my colleages who use them for developpment.
All our machines are between 16 and 24 megs, and they work well.
 
 
>  All the Common Lisp implementations I know are now sold with CLIM
> 
> Is CLIM available only commercially?  Or is there some public domain
>
 
I don't know any public domain version, But I don't believe that this will
really harm people: Franz Inc (I guess that it's the same for lucid), has
really interesting academic prices, so I doubt that this is a problem, even
for people in the universities.

 Emmanuel Baechler
 baechler@liasun4.epfl.ch