Xref: utzoo comp.mail.misc:5665 comp.mail.uucp:6794 news.admin:14991 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!turnkey!qed!tim From: tim@qed.tcc.com (Tim Capps) Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp,news.admin Subject: Re: BITFTP grief! Message-ID: Date: 6 Jun 91 02:46:49 GMT References: <1991Jun2.151614.65@cmkrnl.uucp> Organization: QED Software, Lakewood CA Lines: 54 jeh@cmkrnl.uucp writes: > In article , tim@qed.tcc.com (Tim Capps) writes: > > Hear, hear! I for one am really tired of seeing "oh, you can just get > > this via anonymous FTP". Pah. There is nothing more annoying than > > finding all about what you CAN'T get. > > Of course you can get it. All you need to do is to do exactly what all the > existing Internet sites have done: Pay for some form of tcp/ip link to the > Internet. > > It may be that your budget does not allow for this. (Mine doesn't.) Fine, > you can sign up with uunet, but use them ONLY for uucp'ing stuff that you ask > them to grab for you via ftp. The cost for this is not all that high. Hey, a constructive response! Now, that's a novel thing these days! Now, that's a good idea. I hadn't thought of that. Maybe I'll do that. The only alternative I had come up with is PSI. They charge $120/mo flat fee, which is far too much, considering the amount of FTP I'd actually do (once in a blue moon). Besides, (and I know this is probably flame bait, but what the heck) based on what I have heard about the facsist contracts PSI wants you to sign, you can count me out with that company. > Oh, you wanted to get at that stuff for free! Well... perhaps you wil feel > better if you realize that THE PEOPLE WITH REAL INTERNET LINKS ARE NOT GETTIN > IT FOR FREE EITHER. They pay big bucks for their leased lines, 56K or T1 > modems, router boxes, etc., etc., not to mention competent technical people t > keep the stuff running. No, I didn't ever say that. > And when they got on the Internet they never signed anything that said "we > agree to free and unlimited use of these facilities by uucp sites who want > access to worldwide anon ftp archives for the cost of a local phone call". > > You get what you pay for. There are mechanisms by which a uucp-only site can > access anon ftp archives, for a fair price that covers their hosts' costs of > Internet access. Like I said, I never said that. Take a few deep breaths please, I got the point already. > All that has happened with the demise of bitftp, is that there are now fewer > mechanisms by which a uucp-only site can access such archives while others > (sometimes unknowingly) foot the bill for their fun. > > I don't see this as a major tragedy. Me neither. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Capps | tim@qed.tcc.com | Give The QED BBS a call! New QED Software | The QED BBS (213)420-9327 | phone number - V.32 & PEP etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------