Xref: utzoo soc.culture.british:11429 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:16416 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!comp.vuw.ac.nz!asjl From: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton) Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: IP in the UK (was Re: Fingering the English) Message-ID: <1991Jun07.012936.1359@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Date: 7 Jun 91 01:29:36 GMT References: <1991May29.095025.18273@gdr.bath.ac.uk> <1367@exua.exeter.ac.uk> <1991Jun3.235516.7634@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au> Sender: news@comp.vuw.ac.nz (News Admin) Reply-To: Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz Organization: Computer Science, Victoria University, Wellington, NewZealand Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: bats.comp.vuw.ac.nz Originator: asjl@bats.comp.vuw.ac.nz In article <1991Jun3.235516.7634@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au>, ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) writes: |> Based on my experience (pre 1987) IP introduction in JANET is almost |> completely blocked by politics and bullsh. Technical issues are |> smokescreens. The truth in your statement is that there is woeful ignorance |> in UK campii about IP networking point blank. Its not ignorance of running |> a NATIONAL IP network, its ignorance of even running CAMPUS IP networks. |> My experience in the UK is a little more recent than George - I left in mid 89 but I'd support his stance on this. The politics of the JNT with regard to equipment purchases prevented people buying decent router boxes to implement campus IP networks since they weren't "Protocol Police approved". The network in Newcastle and Durham has changed since I left but it wasn't ready then to be connected into the Internet. |> We did it here in under a year. Its run by a 2-man team in Canberra and |> the goodwill of computer centres across the nation. Off-the-shelf |> technology, |> code built into virtually ALL *nix, available for VMS, VM, No mess, |> no |> fuss, no worries mate! Snap, both our networks are smaller than the UK set up - we had things running in a similar time scale, we don't have any full time staff as yet and rely also on the goodwill of university computer centres and government departments across the country. I look forward to seeing the UK connected as I sure George does. I note with interest the comment of one of my UK colleagues last week - I won't name him - you never know who's listening (:-). Talking about the experimental IP links in the UK, he said: "With this sort of progress with luck we will be able to avoid falling yet further behind the US networkwise!"