Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu From: awessels@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Allen Wessels) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: The Amiga's Future Message-ID: <50098@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 6 Jun 91 16:02:38 GMT References: <6678@vela.acs.oakland.edu> <1991Jun03.053144.3208@ariel.unm.edu> <1991Jun4.003619.3661@news.iastate.edu> <1991Jun4.025024.823@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> <49969@ut-emx.uucp> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Reply-To: awessels@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Allen Wessels) Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 43 In article caw@miroc.Chi.IL.US (Christopher A. Wichura) writes: >I work in the Micro/Station here at UIC (I'm an ASOCC) and they've got three >Macs set up: a classic, an lc, and a IIcx. Right now, all machines have >only two megs of ram. The LC is running system seven. That's __ALL__ it is >running. When Apple tells you you need two megs to run 7.0, they forget to >mention that that's JUST to run 7.0 and if you actually want to use an >application then you'll have to get more memory (or resort to VM, which is >slower than sin) (and the LC, which has an 020, doesn't have a 551 so it >can't do VM anyway). The only things that run on the LC are a few small >demos to show off the Mac. Anytime someone wants to see Excel or MacWrite II >or PageMaker or Quark or... the Mac reps have to move over to the IIcx. Yes, and your lab people probably have file sharing enabled. On my SE/30, I can get 7.0 down to a meg for itself. That would leave enough room for Excel or PageMaker to run by themselves, or Word and a comm program together, with a 2 meg setup. I can't help how lab people or Apple reps set up machines. Most of them aren't all that hot on configuring systems. They are often used to 5 and 8 meg machines. I would really have to try hard to suck up 2 meg under 7.0. I'm using an SI now with file sharing on and video set to 256 colors, and I'm still only up to 1.6 meg with a half dozen inits running. The rule of thumb is that 7.0 takes a meg more than a comparable 6.0 configuration - less if you are replacing 3rd party functions with 7.0's features. My 6.0x setup took up more RAM with ATM, various inits, and file sharing software than 7.0 does now. >System 7 looks kinda nice, though. I will admit that the overall look seems >better than that of Intuition. It also seemed rather slugish, though. You >click on a window's close gadget and wait up to two seconds for the window >to go away (this is with the LC). This was independant of the number of >windows currently open. There were some other things it seemed a little slow >at as well. I'm assuming that you're running in 256 color mode on the LC with the Color Finder windows. Yes, it is a bit slower that I'd like. The LC is only about twice the speed of a Plus, in spite of the 16 Mhz 020 (16 bit data path.) For most operations that I've tried, 7.0 varies in speed quite a bit. On some things it is faster, and others a bit slower. If I want snappier response, I drop the bit depth of the display down to 16 colors.