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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Amiga's Future
Message-ID: <1991Jun10.122734.27958@marlin.jcu.edu.au>
Date: 10 Jun 91 12:27:34 GMT
References: <1991Jun4.195056.1942@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> <1991Jun10.060044.20167@marlin.jcu.edu.au> <1991Jun10.071803.5533@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
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In article <1991Jun10.071803.5533@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> rjc@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) writes:
>In article <1991Jun10.060044.20167@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>In article <1991Jun4.195056.1942@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic) writes:
>>>
>>>In a previous article, taab5@isuvax.iastate.edu (Marc Barrett) says:
>>>
>>>>   Time for a reality check.  For 95% of the people in the Amiga community,
>>>>the Toaster is totally useless.  The Toaster is not going to save the
>>>>Amiga, because it is a product intended for a very limited purpose.  Few
>>>>Amiga owners have any need whatsoever for a special-effects box, and the
>>>>flickering display makes the Toaster unsuitable for other applications.
>>>
>>>95% ?  Did you take a survey? Making such a statement is totally ridiculous.
>>
>>Come off it. 95% is an understatement.  How many people on this net
>>have a toaster????? How many of the 500 owners (which is most of the
>>Amiga user base) in Europe who only use their machines for games and
>>are probably of average age ~17 are going to use a toaster??  I've
>>heard you need at least 9 megs to use some of the software with it
>>properly....  I put the figure more like 99.5 % of Amiga owners.
>
>   I'm am going to attempt a logical arguement since rational ones
>don't seem to work with you.
>  1) The Toaster doesn't work in PAL, therefore this excludes about
>    2 million Amiga users from the survey
>  2) It doesn't work on the A500, this excludes another huge
>     amount of Amiga's
>  3) From the amount of systems left,  a majority of them are power
>    user/power systems
>  4) a lot of the power Amigas are used for video stuff like ray-tracing
>    and titling
>  5) the toaster is used for video
>
>  So, out of the number of Amiga's that can even use the Toaster, it's
>safe to say more than 1% , or even 5% do. 

For sure, but that wasn't the original point.  Marc said "For 95%
of the people in the Amiga community, the toaster is totally useless".

Not "For 95% of the people who don't live in Europe, and who don't have
A500s, the toaster is useless".  I do call people in Europe and 500
owners part of the Amiga community, as without them, there would be
no Amiga.

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Colin Adams                                  
Computer Science Department                     James Cook University 
Internet : cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au               North Queensland
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