Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!uunet!convex!egsner!pfloyd!greg From: greg@pfloyd.lonestar.org (Greg Harp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc Subject: Re: WANTED: Workbench 2.03 Message-ID: Date: 7 Jun 91 19:26:26 GMT Followup-To: alt.flame Distribution: na Organization: Not much... Lines: 98 [Although my newsfeed is down due to a hard drive failure, I felt the need to publicly respond to this. Veenu posted his response to my email without first asking my permission to quote my private message publicly. This only goes to show that he needs to learn _quite_ a bit about netiquette.] [I responded to Veenu's original post trying to inform him of better ways to obtain a new Workbench release than to post threats to the net. I feel that my response was not out of order, and Veenu's postmaster agrees with me.] [If anyone feels the need to respond to me about this, please use email. My news will be down for a while, it appears.] vrr@cbnewsj.att.com (veenu.r.rashid) writes: Veenu> Greg: please *read* my message again. I have requested a copy of a free Veenu> product. It is well known that CBM dealers and employees frequently read Veenu> this net. I would assume if it were legally obtainable from them and only Veenu> them, they would contact me on reading the posted message. Ever heard of email? If your intent was just to contact a C= employee, you should have used email. DTW, do you think they would have responded to a similar threat? "I will keep sending this to you until you promise to send me the disks." If you were trying to get some sympathy from one of the C= employees, you went about it in the wrong way... Me> Apart from the violations your multiple-posting would be making, you would Me> also be annoying people, eating disk space, and spending others' money Me> for a pointless reason. If someone is willing to fulfill your request they Me> will respond to the first posting. If no one responds, no one is willing Me> to help. You can't annoy people into helping you, especially on the net. Veenu> Thank you for the exercise in logic. The only person who is annoying here Veenu> is YOU, Greg. Your postmaster does not agree with you there. Veenu> [BTW: Copies have been sent privately to Greg and my postmaster who Veenu> justifiably feels annoyed at being involved in a matter which does not Veenu> even concern him, as well as being posted here on the net, so that Veenu> anyone else who feels the same way will not waste bandwidth and disk Veenu> space by sending pointlessly annoying letters to people he does not Veenu> even know and cannot help.] Yes, you stepped in it again. Posting private email without the permission of the person who wrote it is yet _another_ violation of netiquette. It's obvious you have never read any of the USENET new user files. It goes with your arrogant style, though. BTW, your postmaster expressed no annoyance in the email he sent me. He thanked me for cc'ing him the message I sent you, though. Also, Veenu sent this message to _my_ postmaster, who justifiably feels ann... Wait... I _AM_ my postmaster... Oh well... ;-) Veenu> Interesting: I have a problem getting anybody to pay attention, much Veenu> less respond to my problem when I call Commodore. You feel that they Veenu> will disallow the dealer to sell Amigas because he refuses to upgrade Veenu> the operating system??!? What other interesting ideas does grep@pfloyd Veenu> have to offer? Look, I've seen dealers close because they didn't cooperate with C=. If you haven't been able to get Commodore's attention, that's your problem. I've never had a problem with them... Veenu> I have called, in order, Commodore, the Amiga hotline and CATS. The only Veenu> information I have received is to wait for the dealer to obtain a copy. Veenu> My dealer refuses to acknowledge the existence of an upgrade or to Veenu> contact Commodore to get a copy. This is after weeks of trying to inform Veenu> him that there is an upgrade available. So what should I do? Commodore? Veenu> Anyone? 1) Keep calling C= and tell them your dealer isn't cooperating. 2) Send email to a C= employee. CERTAINLY posting such a message as yours was not the right way to go about it. Me> Commodore is working hard to keep their dealers in line. By contacting Me> them about this problem you help both of you. Veenu> This is a publicly accepted way to try and contact the relevant people and Veenu> to get some information from them. If you were looking for info that would be fine. You posted a message and threatened to repost it until someone offered to send you the disks. That's NOT a publicly accepted manner to go about anything. Veenu> Also, I would like a copy of the disks. Veenu> If this is unobtainable from anyone but Commodore, I would appreciate a Veenu> copy from Commodore. Veenu> Veenu> Is greg@pfloyd connected with Commodore? As an employee? Hmm? I'm a registered developer. I have documentation stating that the Workbench is not freely redistributable. It can only be distributed with a license. Veenu does not seem to be concerned with such things... -- greg@pfloyd.lonestar.org greg@pfloyd.UUCP convex!egsner!pfloyd!greg