Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!udel!rochester!bbn.com!ulowell!hawk.ulowell.edu!jkeegan From: jkeegan@hawk.ulowell.edu (Jeff Keegan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Will Apple PLEASE Respond to THIS!! Message-ID: <1991Jun6.215232.17595@ulowell.ulowell.edu> Date: 6 Jun 91 21:52:32 GMT References: <1991Jun5.195502.15181@sequent.com> <15357@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> Sender: usenet@ulowell.ulowell.edu (News manager) Distribution: usa Organization: University of Lowell Computer Science, Lowell MA Lines: 106 In article <15357@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> you write: >In article <1991Jun5.195502.15181@sequent.com> iceman@sequent.com (Ian Evans) writes: >> >>Why are the 1 bit icons, icn#, used under system 7.0 when there are 4 >>and 8 bit icons available (icl4, icl8, ics4, ics8)??? The 7.0 system >>file has both 1, 4, and 8 bit icon resources for many standard finder >>icons, but some of them are not used. WHY!!!!! I have alot of users >>who are very attached to their colorized environments under system >>6.x. I realize these are unimportant issues to most mac managers, but >>to users it's a BIG DEAL. > > >I'm not with Apple, but here are some suggestions: > >Say that you have your Mac in 1-bit mode. God knows you cannot display >the color resources in this mode. For CAD, etc., you may want to turn >your monitor down for speed purposes. Steve, I don't think you understand his question. People have been complaining for weeks now that in 16 or 256 color mode, 1-bit icons are being used. This is ALWAYS happening with the floppy icon that's part of the system software, but doesn't install itself... > >Say that the Palette Manager has used (don't know the terminology) all >256 or somewhere around there colors -- default to the b&w ones. Does the finder actually do this deliberately, or are you speculating? (I'm just curious) > >The icn# mask is used for icl4/8 icons. ICN# is a standard resource, >and could not be excluded. Hey, what about those who aren't as lucky >as you and I to have COLOR? I believe Apple sold 100,000 Classics within >the first weeks of announcement?!?! Hello? Did you READ his original post? He was simply asking why (when in color) the 1-bit icons were showing up, not why they existed in the system software.. >The ones that aren't used may be used in the future. Again, you missed his point. >You can paste in your own icons. > >Hey, if you want to use the "little grey disk," God, open ResEdit, and paste >them on the disks you want the little grey disk on -- in the Get Info >window. If you read Inside Macintosh Volume 5, you'll see that >colorization of the interface is indeed NOT RECOMMENDED, as the thrust >of the interface is clarity. There we go. Going from misunderstanding someone's question to leaping off on a tangent about the standardization of the user interface, maybe just to hint to people that you've read Inside Macintosh (or at least some Human Interface Guidelines).. And he's talking about color icons that APPLE MADE! They are THERE, simply NOT USED.. It seems to me like a small bug (er, sorry, /feature/) that Apple will probably fix in future revisions, now that they know of the problem. > >You know that it's been proven that color has effects on people?! > >Red and green especially. Put a green border around the "initialize" >button, and users are more likely to go for it... > >It's all sensible. > Again, what relevance does this have? > >Who cares -- this is the point. If you don't want color, go into your >system file and delete all the color resources. Maybe it will work -- >probably will. If you do want color, you have it -- if you want more, >paste in icons to heart's content. If you want more than that, hey, >someone will come along and make inits like ColorFinder and SunDesk >that colorize all creation, and you can have the kludgiest and gawdiest >(sp???) interface in the world. > What a truly useful paragraph. Despite Steve's help, I'd still like to hear someone at Apple at least say that they've read messages about this issue but have yet to reproduce it, or that they know about the bug and will fix it someday. Another thing I've noticed is that every 20 seconds or so, my hard drive icon (pasted with system 7, but the drive was initialized with SilverLining and a custom icon) flickers. It's the only thing on the screen being updated, and for no apparent reason. Anyone? Clues? Maybe Steve can reply and tell us about the standards recommended for modal dialogs? (highly relevant) ..Jeff Keegan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jeff Keegan | I clutch the wire fence until my fingers bleed | | jkeegan@hawk.ulowell.edu | A wound that will not heal | |----------------------------| A heart that cannot feel | | This space intentionally | Hoping that the horror will receed | | left blank | Hoping that tomorrow we'll all be freed -RUSH | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------