Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!think.com!cass.ma02.bull.com!mips2!bbn.com!ulowell!hawk.ulowell.edu!jkeegan From: jkeegan@hawk.ulowell.edu (Jeff Keegan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Will Apple PLEASE Respond to THIS!! Message-ID: <1991Jun7.172530.1826@ulowell.ulowell.edu> Date: 7 Jun 91 17:25:30 GMT References: <1991Jun5.195502.15181@sequent.com> <13903@goofy.Apple.COM> <1991Jun7.150801.23626@Think.COM> Sender: usenet@ulowell.ulowell.edu (News manager) Distribution: usa Organization: University of Lowell Computer Science, Lowell MA Lines: 84 In article <1991Jun7.150801.23626@Think.COM> ejb@think.com (Erik Bailey) writes: >In article <13903@goofy.Apple.COM> alexr@apple.com (Alexander M. Rosenberg) writes: >>In article <1991Jun5.195502.15181@sequent.com>, iceman@sequent.com (Ian Evans) writes: >>> >>> I know this subject has been covered MANY times, but I have yet to see >>> a REAL response: >>> >>> Why are the 1 bit icons, icn#, used under system 7.0 when there are 4 >>> and 8 bit icons available (icl4, icl8, ics4, ics8)??? [...] >> >>Which ones aren't used? About the only one you won't see by default is the >>floppy disk icon. (I'm not actually sure why this exists, except maybe for >>the Disk Init dialogs.) Every icon (all all kinds) that I looked at in the >>system file is used for me. > >That's the one we're griping about! I don't recall offhand if any other >icl8's have this problem, but that one sure does. And it's not like it's >some random picture, either -- its ID number is the same as the 1-bit ICN# >that *does* appear (in all pixel depths). > I think there are two seperate problems here.. While I agree with the complaint that the floppy icon doesn't show up, I've also witnessed occurances where the Finder was not aware that a color-depth change had occured, and it used 1-bit icons for EVERYTHING (system icons, Application icons, etc). I specifically remember someone playing a game called Armor Alley on a machine next to me, and them asking me how to change the color. I told them about an init Screen Flipper we have, that lets you change the color depth by holding down the control key and clicking (creating a pop-up menu). When they switched to 16 color mode they complained that the mac should use color icons in that mode too, and I said that they did, and then saw the screen. All of the icons were drawn in 1-bit mode, but (if I remember right) some were colored, like system 6 did (outline colored, all of the icon colored).. I went to the system folder to check it out and it also was full of non-colorized icons. After changing the color mode again the problem went away... Then again, it was a long night, and I'm not sure how awake I was... :) ..Jeff Keegan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jeff Keegan | I clutch the wire fence until my fingers bleed | | jkeegan@hawk.ulowell.edu | A wound that will not heal | |----------------------------| A heart that cannot feel | | This space intentionally | Hoping that the horror will receed | | left blank | Hoping that tomorrow we'll all be freed -RUSH | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Would someone at Apple who KNOWS THE ANSWER(S) please respond to this >>> question?? I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know. >>> >> >>Yeah, well, I think I know the answer, but I'll wait until you tell us >>which icons don't show up. > >Just the floppy disk. If you *do* know the answer, could you help us mere >mortals...? Pleeze? :-) > >> >>> Also, if there is a clean workaround that can be implemented I would be >>> happy to post my findings. >>> >> >>You shouldn't need a workaround, all standard icons in the system file >>should show up. > >That's the point! It *should* show up -- after all, it's got the same ID. >There has been no satisfactory solution to the problem (NB -- pasting icons >onto every floppy is NOT is satisfactory solution!) as yet... > >(lest I get flamed -- the point is not that I [and others] want a nifty >8-bit floppy disk icon. It's that a part of the system that SHOULD work >DOESN'T, and nobody at Apple is even ACKNOWLEDGING that fact!!! A simple >"Yes, we know it's there; it'll be fixed in 7.0.1" would do VERY nicely!) > >--Erik > >(ps - has anyone actually called the 1-800 or 1-900 numbers with this >question?) > >-- > Erik Bailey | 7 Oak Knoll | Thinking Machines Corp. > ejb@think.com | Arlington, MA 02174 | 245 First St. > harvard!think!ejb | (617) 643-0732 | Cambridge, MA 02142 > /earth is 98% full. Please remove any excess inhabitants.