Xref: utzoo comp.os.msdos.apps:2100 comp.windows.ms:13675
Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!cs.uoregon.edu!ogicse!cvedc!gssc!timr
From: timr@gssc.UUCP (Tim Roberts)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: MS-DOS v5.0 Release Date 11th June
Message-ID: <6669@gssc.UUCP>
Date: 10 Jun 91 17:00:59 GMT
References: <gurganus.675797385@stable.ecn.purdue.edu> <1006@macuni.mqcc.mq.oz> <72798@microsoft.UUCP>
Organization: Graphic Software Systems, Inc. Beaverton, Or.
Lines: 33

In article <72798@microsoft.UUCP> bobsc@microsoft.UUCP (Bob SCHMIDT) writes:
>(David Crowley) writes:
>%% 	Ohh, yea and another thing. Is it possible to set up expanded
>%%       memory, extended memory, put stuff up in himem and still be able
>%%       to run win in standard mode? I couldn't get it to work. I can
>%%       only run in 386enh mode which is fine, but I was wondering?-)
>
>As for the conflict between DOS 5 UMB support and Windows '286 mode...
>You're not hallucinating; the conflict is real.  Windows detects that
>some other protected-mode software is running, and won't load.  I can't
>say if/when this conflict will go away.

Bob, is this the official Microsoft position, or are you speaking on your own?
Your last sentence shows extreme short-sightedness and a lack of understanding
of the seriousness of this problem.

Why was this incompatibility allowed to happen?  This failure in DOS 5 nearly 
makes it unacceptable for Windows developers.  Our drivers have to work in 
EACH of the Windows modes.  Now, running DOS 5's EMM386, I can no longer test 
Standard mode.

QEMM happily coexists with Windows in Real, Enhanced, AND Standard modes.  
If Quarterdeck can achieve 386 memory detente with your OS and your
window manager, then surely Microsoft itself should be able to do at least
as good a job!

This is a SIGNIFICANT deficiency.  I sincerely hope Microsoft is making more
of an effort to isolate and correct this flaw than is indicated in your mail.
-- 
timr@gssc.gss.com	Tim N Roberts, CCP	Graphic Software Systems
						Beaverton, OR

This is a very long palindrome. .emordnilap gnol yrev a si sihT