Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!udel!haven.umd.edu!mimsy!ccvr1.cc.ncsu.edu From: hes@ccvr1.cc.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) Newsgroups: rec.guns Subject: Re: magazine safetys Message-ID: <35420@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 10 Jun 91 22:09:51 GMT Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: NCSU Computing Center Lines: 37 Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu Since one can give examples on both sides (where a magazine safety would either prevent or cause harm) this is a classical trade-off in design. I saw a newspaper clipping of a case where a police officer stopped a car with armed criminals in it, and during his approach they shot at him and hit his pistol in such a way as to drop the magazine - and this was given as an example of why a magazine safety is undesirable for police use. (And this general reason, including the capability of operating single shot when it is necessary, is why many police agencies specify that their duty arms not have a magazine safety.) However, because of the complications of semi-autos (with their many operating controls and parts that the user must keep track of) there is a chance of "pilot error", and the magazine safety is one attempt at trying to foolproof the pistol. For people without enough training (and current experience/practice) it still is probably the right thing - and I'll include many police officers in this category. I generally recommend to beginners that they start with a revolver for this kind of reason - there is much less to keep track of, and the dangers are much more visible and obvious to an untrained person. For a properly trained/practiced person, the tradeoff shifts, and the interference with the trigger action, and the interference with operation in damaged magazine, etc. situations becomes more important. (Note that police agencies vary greatly in how much and what types of training they offer or require of their officers. I heard of one which went to semi-autos from revolvers by just issuing them to their officers, and by contrast the NC Highway Patrol had several full days of training including many performance tests of such things as clearing jams and tactical reloading before their officers started carrying semi-autos in place of revolvers.) Therefore I claim that this is not a "religious" issues, but one of assessing the situation and achieving the correct trade-off. --henry schaffer n c state univ