Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!aero-c!nadel From: rivero@dev8a.mdcbbs.com Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: birth control failure? Message-ID: <1991Jun5.150305.1@dev8a.mdcbbs.com> Date: 5 Jun 91 15:03:04 GMT References: <15263.283c1f6f@zeus.unomaha.edu> <675575737@lear.cs.duke.edu> <1991Jun04.053815.2412091@locus.com> Sender: news@aero.org Organization: McDonnell Douglas M&E, Cypress CA Lines: 50 Approved: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Originator: nadel@aerospace.aero.org In article <1991Jun04.053815.2412091@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes: > If the man used a birth control device and if the man can prove that this > device was properly used but failed anyway, then the man can legally > deny parentage to the child and cannot be brought to court later. Here is another example of "ignoring the whole for the sake of one side". This idea, while it looks good from the male point of view, saddles the woman with the result of an "industrial accident". Prior to getting married, I used condoms (Guys, women actually like it if you have an assortment). As I re-enter single life, I shall continue to do so. HOWEVER, I recognize that the little percent sign in the effectiveness column does not read 100%. And just like the lottery, there is a small but finite chance that things might work a little differently than normal! If you drive on the freeway, you reduce your chance for injury in an accident by wearing your seat belt, but you do NOT eliminate it. If you share a night with a woman, you reduce your chance for a pregnancy (and STD) by using a condom, but you do NOT eliminate it. In both cases, that risk is something you have deciced to accept, whether it is to drive to work or to play snuggles all night long. Maybe you can sue the maker of the automobile/birthcontrol, but YOU get to live with the results. How can you arbitrarily assign the child to the female and let the man go scott free? > However, > if the man did NOT attempt to his best ability to provide birth control, > he is stuck! That way, if you REALLY don't want a child, you have the > ability to make sure in every way possible that you won't have one and > the legal incentive to carry this out. (Similar incentive women have had > all these years which makes us so much more consciencous about BC than > our male counterparts. Here we get into some weird legal issues. Just how do you determine "best ability to provide birth control"? Sounds like a good way to send some lawyers kids through school. And I RESENT the crack about how women are more consciencous about BC than men. Most men are very responsible for their own bodies (and the rest are appropriatly terrified of the current legal climate). ========================================================================== \\\\ Michael Rivero | "I drank WHAT!" | "I favor population | \ (. rivero@dev8a.mdcbbs | Socrates ------------------- control, as | )> DISCLAIMER::: |-----------|Anyone who does | long as it's | == "Hey man, I wasn't |Looking4luv|not get 8 hugs a | with someone | ---/ even here then!" |Settle4sex!|day is in trouble| else's kids!"| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------------------+++++++++++++++