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From: gazit@cs.duke.EDU (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: birth control failure?
Keywords: feminism,men's rights,parenthood,choice,children
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Date: 10 Jun 91 18:14:07 GMT
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In article <9106062203.1796@mydog.UUCP> gcf@mydog.UUCP (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>I may have missed something, but everyone in this discussion
>seems to be forgetting that the claim against the father comes
>not from the mother but from the child.

1) If the claim comes from the child, then why the *mother* gives it
   up in a case of artificial insemination?

2) If the claim comes from the child then why the man should be sued
   even when the woman has enough money?  Why a woman can not take
   a full responsibility for the result of her choice?  Why is it
   so bad if she will pay for her choice, but it is just fine if
   she charges someone else?

3) If the claim comes from the child, then why the support is by
   percentage of the father's income?  E.g. Were the $1356 that
   Allen Wells was ordered to pay a child's support or an alimony?

4) If the child's good is a top priority then why not to force a
   woman who can't support a newborn to give it up to adoption.
   Why a situation of an unmarried mother and an angry father is
   better than an adoption by a pre-screened couple?

>Hillel, and usually his
>antagonists as well, persist in avoiding this point so they can
>get on with the war between the sexes.

I think that in practice women's rights come before child's right,
and child's right before men's rights.  Gordon persists in avoiding
this point, but he tries to give moral and legal arguments why a
break in condom (or a woman's lie about birth control) should
destroy a man's life.

>Gordon Fitch   *   uunet!cmcl2.nyu.edu!panix!mydog!gcf

Hillel                                            gazit@cs.duke.edu

"There is only one difference between child support and alimony,
child support isn't tax deductible."  --  Allen WELLS