Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: hetyei@athena.mit.edu (Gabor Hetyei) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: st. jude Message-ID: Date: 9 Jun 91 19:29:06 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 22 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu [In response to something now lost in antiquity, Gabor Hetyei said > I don't think those stories would be of any help. They happened before >the Immolation of the Lamb. No soul was in Paradise before the death of our >Savior. Brian Coughlin responded with several passages from 2 Kings showing Elijah being taken to heaven. --clh] Oops! I think most of us must have thought of NT references about Jesus's soul descending to hell after his death and freeing some of the souls from there. I think this is the fact that settles in most peoples mind as if nobody have been in Paradise before the Redemption. Your quotation seems to contradict to this belief. On the other hand your reference might decide the question if the dead are "asleep". I don't think that when Elisha sees Israel's chariots and drivers, he sees sleeping people. Thanks again. Gabor Hetyei