Path: utzoo!telecom-request Date: Sat, 15 Jun 91 10:54:22 CDT From: Craig Neidorf Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Len Rose Sent to Prison Message-ID: Organization: TELECOM Digest Sender: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 11, Issue 460, Message 1 of 7 Lines: 62 In TELECOM Digest, Volume 11 : Issue 453, Scott Dorsey writes: > In article bill@eedsp.gatech.edu > writes: >> BALTIMORE (AP) -- A computer hacker has been sentenced to a year >> and a day in prison for stealing information from American Telephone & >> Telegraph and its subsidiary Bell Laboratories. >> Leonard Rose Jr., 32, an unemployed computer consultant, pleaded >> guilty in March to one count of sending AT&T source codes via computer >> to a hacker in Illinois, and a similar wire fraud charge involving a >> Chicago hacker. > He did indeed send a copy of the System V login source code to > someone who may have used it in the commission of a crime. Who is this person that you believe he sent the System V login source code to that may have used it in the commission of a crime? >> The judge did not order restitution to AT&T because Rose has what >> one of his attornies called "a negative net worth." > This is indeed true. He did not have such a condition until > spending huge amounts of money for defense. Speaking as someone who knows what really happened to Len and how the system really treats a criminal defendant, I will inform you of a couple of things. Len Rose did not spend huge amounts on his defense. When Rose was first raided by the Secret Service in March 1990, the agents seized all of his computers and everything related (and a lot of things unrelated). They effectively deprived him of his livelihood as a private Unix consultant. They had their reasons and I'm not going to argue about those. However, Len had little money to begin with and was already deep into debt before these incidents happened. He lost his house and his truck. Len Rose had a court appointed attorney for a while and there are some things you should know about how that works. You can only get court appointed counsel if you cannot afford an attorney and you must prove this to the court by bringing in all of your financial files. Later attornies like Sheldon Zenner and Jane Macht were paid for by friends of Len Rose and there was a donation fund for his family's living expenses to which many people contributed. Craig Neidorf (C483307 @ UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU) [Moderator's Note: Mr. Neidorf was a defendant in one of the criminal prosecutions associated with the Legion of Doom. He is (was?) the publisher and editor of {Phrack}, an electronic journal whose name is a contraction of the two words 'phreak' and 'hack'. He was found not guilty of the charges lodged against him, and the government dropped its prosecution of him when it was discovered that the information he published (relating to the complaint) was available to the public from other sources. PAT]