Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!agate!agate!muffy From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: Should we let students run COPS to get each other's passwords? Message-ID: Date: 12 Jun 91 18:50:23 GMT References: <1991Jun12.140419.28896@athena.cs.uga.edu> <1991Jun12.141657.29238@athena.cs.uga.edu> <1991Jun12.170651.4239@athena.cs.uga.edu> Sender: usenet@agate.berkeley.edu (USENET Administrator) Organization: Natural Language Incorporated Lines: 21 In-Reply-To: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu's message of 12 Jun 91 17: 06:51 GMT In article <1991Jun12.170651.4239@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes: In article muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes: >In article <1991Jun12.141657.29238@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes: > (2) Are you saying "People with easy-to-guess passwords deserve to have their > accounts broken into"? Blame the victim, of course, folks! Do you say > the same thing about rape victims? > >No, and no. However, I've heard this comparison to rape before, and it >is not a very good one. A better one would be something like not >locking the front door of your house. Does that mean I have no right to prosecute a burglar who happens to get in through an unlocked door? Does the unlocked door justify burglary??? No, nor is that what I said. What it does mean, though, is that if you complain about someone walking in through your unlocked door, people would be perfectly justified in telling you that you were stupid to leave it unlocked. And the analogy to rape is still wrong, which *is* what I said. Muffy