Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!uunet!convex!tighe From: tighe@convex.com (Mike Tighe) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: Passwords/Intent to Defraud Message-ID: <1991Jun13.161218.2982@convex.com> Date: 13 Jun 91 16:12:18 GMT References: <31281@hydra.gatech.EDU> <1991Jun13.152618.28383@athena.cs.uga.edu> Sender: usenet@convex.com (news access account) Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Texas Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.convex.com In article <1991Jun13.152618.28383@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes: >I didn't say it was a CRIME for a non-sysadmin to run Cops and obtain >passwords, I said that we do not PERMIT it, i.e., it's against system >policy. I'd be interested to know what the policy is for the use of CPU time. Surely if every user fired up a copy of COPS every morning when they logged in, that would be a waste of resources. However, if users are billed for their usage, sysadms would be less inclined to worry about how users waste their time. I would also like to know how many sysadms have had security problems reported to them by users that have taken it upon themselves to find security holes. When I was in the systems group at a previous employer, I knew one person who took it upon himself to be the guardian of the system. He wouldn't hesitate to point things out to the sysadms (and hence 'prove' how smart he was). However, he often wouldn't tell them why it was a problem (after all the sysadms couldn't be trusted). He just told them how to fix. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tighe, Internet: tighe@convex.com, Voice: (214) 497-4206 -------------------------------------------------------------