Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!anthony From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) Newsgroups: comp.software-eng Subject: Re: Modifiability Message-ID: <1893@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> Date: 12 Jun 91 02:17:30 GMT References: <11714@ncar.ucar.edu> <1991Jun7.165928.1903@weyrich.UUCP> <1849@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> <1991Jun10.122656.18795@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Sender: news@cs.uq.oz.au Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au Distribution: comp.software-eng Lines: 57 In <1991Jun10.122656.18795@zip.eecs.umich.edu> warack@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Christopher Warack) writes: >There is some amount of code "infrastructure" such as setting up the execution >environment or manually implementing high-level structures such as exceptions >that could probably be ignored in a specification. I'd assert, however, that >more than 95% of a reasonably sized program's code is an attempt at writing >a non-ambiguous specification. 1/2 :-) That is true the program's code is itself a specification. The problem of modifiability depends on the level that we are working on. However if we don't deal with problem of modifiability at the specification level then they don't go away at the implementation level. This means that not only do you have deal with implementation issues that will affect modifiablity but you also have to deal with specification issues that is being carried forward because you didn't bother with them at the specification level. >I believe that designers of programming languages also desire this >ability...??? While simplification of a problem may make it easier >to reason about, it may also tend to hide the characteristics/ >behavior that cause the problem. Again, I point out that modifiability problem at the high level don't just go away at the implementation level. If you can knock those problems over the head at the specification level then the problem at the implementation level would be easilier to deal with. >>Furthermore you have to consider that the modification could have >>taken place several months after the delivery of the original >>product (or even years). How can you guarantee that the source >>code of the original product would be available. >As easily as guaranteeing that the formal specification is available. Most companies are very reluctant to hand over code but the specification is alway part of the contract. In fact it is the contract. If we insist that the contract be written formally then we will always have it with us. >>Even if the source code was availabe it far more difficult to analysis >>for conflicting properties between existing software and new software :>at the source level. >than what? at the object level? Formal specification techniques of the >kind that Balzer proposed don't exist yet, so you can't mean those, can you? >-- Chris >>-- >>Anthony Lee (Michaelangelo teenage mutant ninja turtle) (Time Lord Doctor) >>email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au TEL:+(61)-7-365-2697 (w) >>SNAIL: Dept Comp. Science, University of Qld, St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia -- Anthony Lee (Michaelangelo teenage mutant ninja turtle) (Time Lord Doctor) email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au TEL:+(61)-7-365-2697 (w) SNAIL: Dept Comp. Science, University of Qld, St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia