Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!quiche!tinyguy From: tinyguy@cs.mcgill.ca (Yeo-Hoon BAE) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: Amiga basher Message-ID: <1991Jun13.174328.15471@cs.mcgill.ca> Date: 13 Jun 91 17:43:28 GMT References: <22362@cbmvax.commodore.com> <1991Jun13.042836.8112@marlin.jcu.edu.au> <1991Jun13.065150.3529@cs.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@cs.mcgill.ca (Netnews Administrator) Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 124 In article <1991Jun13.065150.3529@cs.mcgill.ca> genius@cs.mcgill.ca (Michel NGUYEN) writes: > >Obviously, you are not familiar (or should I say "you know nothing") >about the other systems either. Get some info before. Open your mind AND >your eyes. > But there ARE some people who do know what they are talking about. Perhaps, you should listen to some of them seriously... >As I said to someone else on the net already, Amiga WAS the best computer >around you could buy when it was launched. Now the other systems (Mac, >NeXT, PeeCee) are catching up (and real fast). What makes the Amiga so great Agreed. >is the software, not the hardware (at least not anymore) (about the hardware >topic, I know it would be long/boring/flaming to go over it again, so let's >drop it or drop dead). But I like it! :) >Do you know why "they" spend 3/4s of the CPU for graphics and I/O and the >Amiga's don't? Remove the graphics/sound/bus/... coprocessors from the Amiga >and let's see how it's going to behave this time. Or add the appropriate >coprocessors to the other ones (system) and compare. But why would I do that? Those are what defines Amiga. You wanna compare Amiga with other computers? Leave them there! >About multitasking, I want to know what you are using multitasking for?? >Do you use it a lot?? I know I could not live without multitasking, but >very often (when I do serious work), I want my computations to take >exactly 20 minutes and not 30-40 minutes because I am playing some >chess or tetris games in another window. (don't tell me that there is >no difference, context swithing and games/modem take CPU times). And can >the Amiga multitasks "Dungeon Master" and "Blazemonger" and a WP???? > Well, for one thing, what are your most common applications that you use on your machine? For most applications, there's no way that each application takes that much CPU, especially on A3000. Even on 7.14MHz 68000, I can download, un-lharc, and edit a file without much distraction. In fact, you can start downloading a file and simply forget about it, as if it doesn't exist. Try that on Windows.(I have both machines :) The most distracting thing about Windows is that it does NOT update screens(windows) similtaneously. You start formatting a disk, and switch to another window, the window freezes. Nice multitasking. :) >As I said, go look around. Check out the softwares and hardwares of the other >systems (especially the Mac and PeeCee) NOW on the market. You will >be surprised. And what is/are your criterion/a to say one graphic system >is better than the other ?? The Amiga community is better to get moving and >get out now from their hibernation state if they want to keep their domination >in the multimedia field. Waiting until july would be too late. > Believe me, I have(and still do). In my opinion, both machines have their pros and cons. On Amiga, by biggest dissapointment is the resolution. And on the IBM, the performace of the display, until you spend $700 on ATI Ultra + $200 on another SVGA card. But up here in Canada, Amigas are not that cheap, and PCs do look pretty attractive if you consider value for money. :( > >Where are your facts?? How many universities?? Here at McGill, they (the >system staffs) were planning to replace the old dumb ASCII terminals by >either the Amiga or the NeXTstation. They chose the NeXTstations. >I support that decision. We are using those machines (about 40) for 6 months >now. > Oh, I didn't know they were also considering Amigas... But common, you have to consider the fact that the former System Manager was one of the craziest NeXT lover(sorry Peter!). No other platform would have changed his mind. >>I could go on and on and on. So, in summary, Amiga bashers just aren't familiar >> > >Please go on. I want to know how far you can get. >You are just like some of the Mac/NeXT/PeeCee users: > ignorant (not stupid) and narrow minded. > As I said before, there are some who know both(not me, yet:) and are keeping quiet for now. I think 'bashing' isn't so bad as long as they don't exaggerate. >Don't get me wrong here, I like the Amiga (esp. for games), and I know >its potentials and capabilities, and so the potentials and capabilities >of the other systems. > Aha, but you should go and study about Amigas a little more, just merely trying out isn't good enough. How much do you know about customizing your own environment? Amongst my Amiga friends, almost every user has a completely different setup, with some help from fish libraries. Until you try them properly, you won;t appreciate it, that much I can tell you. >No flames intended, although I realize that responding to the article is a >declaration of war by itself. So... Lt. Worf, shields up, and prepare the >phasers. > Yup. And better make that Torpedo. :) >*************************************************************************** > > "L'avocat du diable" > >*************************************************************************** > > +-----------------------------------------------------------+-----------+ | Yeo-Hoon Bae tinyguy@homer.cs.mcgill.ca | /// | | Dept. Computer Science, McGill University, Canada | /// | |-----------------------------------------------------------| \\\/// | | Amiga2000 & 386SX | \XX/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------+-----------+