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From: coxc0032@ucselx.sdsu.edu (David Tse)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Help! MSDOS 5.0
Message-ID: <1991Jun13.000444.18189@ucselx.sdsu.edu>
Date: 13 Jun 91 00:04:44 GMT
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ak698@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Timothy Stark) writes:
>Hello Everyone:
>      Help! I have another problem with MSDOS product. I heard that 
>Microsoft sales release new version of MSDOS 5.0. Someone told me that
>it will be retail product but I found out that MSDOS 5.0 still is not
>retail product and upgrade-only version (required DOS 2.11 or later).
>I unable to find *FULL* version of MSDOS 5.0. 

I don't know your definition of full version, but I read the 5.0 box,
saying you need 2.11 or later installed, so may be it's not a full version.

>      I have ATonce emulator for my Amiga from Vortex gmH in Germany.
>Its package do not come with MSDOS package and tell me to find *FULL*
>version of MSDOS package in order to work with ATonce hardware. 

You can always buy any versions you want, currently avail. in store should
be 3.3 and 4.01 , just go check out clone dealers, or buy a used version.

>      Microsoft Sales told me that Vortex must have responsible for that.
>Its policy require Vortex include MSDOS package with ATonce package.

If according to grammar rules, you mean 'Its' = 'Vortex'. Whose policy do
you mean actually? I'm confused. I mean, who requires Vortex to include
MS-DOS? Vortex themselves? Microsoft? Neither makes sense anyway.

>But I *DON'T* like Microsoft policy for MSDOS pakages. Do not purchase
>ATonce package unless Vortex include MSDOS package with ATonce hardware.
>So I complain seriously aganist its policy.

So I think you actually mean Microsoft's policy here, but do you mean
the same 'policy' as above, or this is a seperate issue? If you insist
on having the package come with MS-DOS, you can buy the PC Powerboard,
which is only 8088, but comes with MS-DOS, memory, etc. I just don't
see why you suggest not buying it just because it doesn't come with
MS-DOS. I don't think it's so hard to find, or expensive to buy, to 
make it a important criteria.

Just hypothetical, if MS-DOS 3.3 costs $50 in the street, and ATonce changes
their policy, and now comes with MS-DOS 3.3, but also increases the price
up $75, which choice you still prefer? I'm trying to say that is, the company
which makes ATonce tries to sell it at lower cost, thus not including MS-DOS,
because some people might already own it. They just think you can always buy
one if you want, and it's so widely available. Do you know that a lot of
clone dealers don't even provide MS-DOS with a clone? and that's extra?

***Flame on: I'll be equally surprise if my friend complains about some
cereal box not coming with a plastic spoon.  Flame off***

>      Where can I find full version of MSDOS 5.0? No upgrade products,
>please!

Just get any MS-DOS from 2.11, and also 5.0  . The thing is 3.3 and 4.01
are not obsolete to the point that you can't even find it.

>-- Tim Stark


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I'm sorry if I'm hard on you, but I think the Microsoft salesman poisoned
you. You should question them why you need 2.11? may be there is a reason.

David