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From: mjm@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Michael J Mallette)
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Subject: Re: .30 cal carbine
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Date: 14 Jun 91 00:56:35 GMT
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In article <35568@mimsy.umd.edu> emory!Dixie.Com!jgd@gatech.edu (John G. DeArmond) writes:
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#MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
#
##The M1 Carbine is very good at doing what it's supposed to do. It's not
##a marksman's rifle, or a sniper's weapon, or anything like that. It
##was conceived as an alternative to the sidearm for non-infantry troops.
##The cartridge has ballistics similar to the .357- i.e., a hot handgun
##round. Given the choice of reaching for my .357 or my carbine in a tight
##situtation, I'd grab the carbine with a couple of 30 round magazines.
##IMHO, of course.           --mike

#I agree.  The ballistics and thhe loading parameters are almost identical.
#In fact, for the standard military 30 cal ball (130 gr?), the maximum
                                                 110 gr.
#load of Winchester 231 (a good pistol powder) which consists of filling

Don't you mean 296? All the loading data I have show slow burning powders for
the .30 carbine.

#the case to the brim, wiping it off level and compressing the powder
#with a bullet, is within a few grains of a hot .357 load.

Do this with 236 in a .357 case and you WILL destroy your gun with possible
serious injury/death to you. The max loads with 236 are around the 8gr level,
you will probably get around 17gr your way with 236. A good powder for the
..30 carbine is AA #9 loaded around the 15gr range (estimate). I load 18.1grs
of #9 behind a 125gr bullet in .357.

#Like Mike, given the choice between a .357 and my Enforcer (.30 cal carbine
#with the barrel bobbed at the end of the forestock and with a pistol

How much did it cost (ATF tax) having the barrel bobbed and how long did it
take getting approval.

#grip) with a couple of 30 round mags, there is no doubt what I'd select.

What are you planning on going up against? 100 bikers? Pack of wild dogs/wolves?
:-)

Mike Mallette