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From: gmk@falstaff.mae.cwru.edu (Geoff Kotzar)
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Subject: Re: .30 cal carbine
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Date: 14 Jun 91 00:56:55 GMT
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In article <35568@mimsy.umd.edu> emory!Dixie.Com!jgd@gatech.edu (John G. DeArmond) writes:
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#MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
#
##The M1 Carbine is very good at doing what it's supposed to do. It's not
##a marksman's rifle, or a sniper's weapon, or anything like that. It
##was conceived as an alternative to the sidearm for non-infantry troops.
##The cartridge has ballistics similar to the .357- i.e., a hot handgun
##round. Given the choice of reaching for my .357 or my carbine in a tight
##situtation, I'd grab the carbine with a couple of 30 round magazines.
##IMHO, of course.           --mike
#
#I agree.  The ballistics and thhe loading parameters are almost identical.
#In fact, for the standard military 30 cal ball (130 gr?), the maximum
#load of Winchester 231 (a good pistol powder) which consists of filling
#the case to the brim, wiping it off level and compressing the powder
#with a bullet, is within a few grains of a hot .357 load.

***** Whoa there. Are you sure you don't mean H 110 or Winchester 296.****
      If I am not mistaken, H 110 is listed as having been developed
      as the service powder for the .30 carbine by Hodgdon. A case 
      full of 231 would probably be a serious overload.  G. Kotzar

#
#Like Mike, given the choice between a .357 and my Enforcer (.30 cal carbine
#with the barrel bobbed at the end of the forestock and with a pistol
#grip) with a couple of 30 round mags, there is no doubt what I'd select.
#I'd never go to the National Matches with a .30 carbine but I'd sure
#use it for self-defence and close in work.  And to beat all, it's a
#damn fun gun to shoot.  Not near the muzzle blast and about the same
#recoil as .223.
#
#John
#
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