Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!mimsy!uunet.UU.NET From: decwrl!well.sf.ca.us!well!tmi@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Kasler) Newsgroups: rec.guns Subject: Re: Ordinance Gelatin, where to get it? Message-ID: <35641@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 14 Jun 91 20:05:07 GMT Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu Lines: 36 Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu #From everything that we've been able to determine in the lab, the posts in Hydra-Shoks are not necessary. Indeed, except for another serious problem these bullets have, Hydra-Shoks absent posts perform more like other similar bullets in other cartridges. Federal purchased the idea and the name from a small outfit that was building and marketing ammunition under the Hydra-Shok label. It seems as if Federal's adamant refusal to abandon the post stems at least partly from a desire to recoup its investment in acquiring the above- mentioned rights. Whether or not Federal would incur any liability because of their acts or failures to act is not an easy or straight-forward answer. Much of it could turn on how thoroughly it could be demonstrated what and how early they knew about the so-called problems, and what, if anything, they attempted to do about them. Dr. Fackler would very much like to see something happen because he believes Federal is acting in bad faith, knowing it is marketing an inferior and possibly dangerous product but failing to warn potential consumers about it or take other action to prevent tragedy. When there's other better, proven ammunition available in comparable price ranges for any viable defense caliber, why risk so much on a gimmick, and one that is not only definitively proven to function acceptably, but about which there is so much controversy? If what you're interested in is the controversy, or if you insist on having something that you or one of the jerk gun writers claims is the next best thing to a magic bullet, then be my guest. But if what you want is something upon which your like or those of others you care about may depend, don't bother with nonsense and crap like these gimmics. Get one of the reliable and effective cartridges that are available. Peter Alan Kasler Threat Management Institute 415-777-0303