Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!mimsy!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu From: bobd@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula) Newsgroups: rec.guns Subject: Re: Birth of the 9mm Message-ID: <35644@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 14 Jun 91 20:05:14 GMT Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 29 Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu In article <35598@mimsy.umd.edu> boyd@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) writes: # #The way I heard the "birth of the 9mm" story is as follows. The cartridge is #a "cut down" version of another one common at the time (I think it was the #.30 carbine, but I could be wrong). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You *are* wrong :-) The 9mm was perhaps a necked up .30 Luger (ACP), the .30 carbine case was developed by Winchester in the late 1930's unless I'm mistaken (I believe 9mm Luger came out in 1904). #ballistic design, they just needed to rechamber the Luger for a different #round, and doing it this way meant less retooling. Thus, (the way I understand #it) the 9mm specs were created in a "less than scientific" way. Oh, the #rechambering was needed due to a "request" by the German army, who did not #want to adopt the pistol in the previous caliber. # This was probably in a rare fit of military "sanity" (as opposed to the normal condition for making ordinance decisions :-). Seriously, I would certainly not criticize this decision at all (look how long 9mm Parabellum has been around and how many current arms are chambered for it -- they were defintely on the ball when they requested this change). Don't get me wrong, I *like* .30 Luger, but for a lot of reasons the 9mm Luger cartridge is just a better all around choice for military/police work. -- ========================================================================== Bob DeBula | Disclaimer: These are my views, not the U's