Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!mimsy!inel.gov From: wdo@inel.gov (william d orr) Newsgroups: rec.guns Subject: Re: Birth of the 9mm Message-ID: <35648@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 14 Jun 91 20:05:24 GMT Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho Lines: 19 Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu In article <35598@mimsy.umd.edu> boyd@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) writes: #I was asked by someone the other day about the birth of the 9mm round. To #my great chagrin, I have forgotten most of it!! # #The way I heard the "birth of the 9mm" story is as follows. The cartridge is #a "cut down" version of another one common at the time (I think it was the #.30 carbine, but I could be wrong). # #Does anyone know the full story? I know it's even more humorous, but I cannot #remember the details!! # I do not lnow the history of the 9mm for sure but I do know that is was not derived from the 30 carbine. After all the .30 Carbine was not developed until at least the late 1930's possibly early 1940's. I have always thought that the 9mm round was derived from an earlier european pistol cartridge something like 7x?? that was very similar to the .380 cartridge.