Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!midway!mimsy!bevsun.bev.lbl.gov From: bercov@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (John Bercovitz) Newsgroups: rec.guns Subject: Re: The Speed of Sound Message-ID: <35682@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 15 Jun 91 02:56:19 GMT Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley, California Lines: 42 Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu #In article <35658@mimsy.umd.edu> ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) writes: ##In article <35545@mimsy.umd.edu> bercov@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov ##(John Bercovitz) writes: ##Another thought mentioned in this group at times is that a supersonic ##bullet causes shock waves when it enters a semi-liquid medium. It's ##certainly true that anything traveling faster than the speed of sound ##in a medium has shock waves coming off of it. But the speed of sound ##in water is around 5000 fps. A critter with a projectile traversing ##his carcass is going to experience traumatic shock but not shock waves. ##Perhaps that's the source of the confusion 'mongst the gun rag writers. ##Nitpicking: It is possible to get some very small local shock waves ##at the front of a flat-nosed bullet if it is only slightly subsonic ##in the traversed medium. #I believe you, but I've seen high speed shadowgraphs of bullets that #had what definitely looked like shock waves trailing from the nose. Those bullets were supersonic because they were traveling through air which, of course, has a lower speed of sound. #I've also seen boats moving considerably slower than 5000 fps with #the same sort of "bow wake" as the bullet had. That's a different phenomenon but there's some amazing similitude there, huh? There's a reason for that. Maybe someone can tell us what it is. #I've dressed enough game to know that *something* damages a #conical section of meat surrounding the wound channel. #So if this isn't a sonic boom style shock wave, what is it? I see a bullet traversing the euphemism as primarily a momentum transfer problem. This is because the forces involved in the momentum transfer are much higher than the forces involved in destroying the structural integrity of the euphemism. So I would say the wound channel is the result of all the little dMs (that's dee masses) becoming sub-miniature secondary projectiles. But I'm just guessing. However, the drag function of a bullet in ballistic gelatin tends to agree with this analysis. Perhaps Peter Kasler could enlighten us? JHBercovitz@lbl.gov (John Bercovitz)