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From: emory!Dixie.Com!jgd@gatech.edu (John G. DeArmond)
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Subject: Re: .30 cal carbine
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Date: 15 Jun 91 15:16:26 GMT
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mjm@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Michael J Mallette) writes:

#In article <35568@mimsy.umd.edu> jggd@dixie.com (John G. DeArmond) writes:
##

##I agree.  The ballistics and thhe loading parameters are almost identical.
##In fact, for the standard military 30 cal ball (130 gr?), the maximum
#                                                 110 gr.
##load of Winchester 231 (a good pistol powder) which consists of filling

#Don't you mean 296? All the loading data I have show slow burning powders for
#the .30 carbine.

##the case to the brim, wiping it off level and compressing the powder
##with a bullet, is within a few grains of a hot .357 load.

#Do this with 236 in a .357 case and you WILL destroy your gun with possible
#serious injury/death to you. 

No, I meant Winchester 231 exactly as I wrote it.  I can't imagine why
one would want to load such a small capacity round with slow rifle 
powder.  Winchester 231 gives about the best bang for the buck in
my testing.


##with the barrel bobbed at the end of the forestock and with a pistol

#How much did it cost (ATF tax) having the barrel bobbed and how long did it
#take getting approval.

Iver Johnson sells the gun right off the shelf for about $160 or so.
No tax stamp required unless you want the full auto version.  That's the
neat thing about the M-1 style actions.  You can have a legal length
barrel in a nice one handed "pistol".


##grip) with a couple of 30 round mags, there is no doubt what I'd select.

#What are you planning on going up against? 100 bikers? Pack of wild dogs/wolves?
Actually, I plan on addressing any self-defense situation I'll ever get into
with my North American Arms .22 mag mini revolver (Yeah!  Let's get that 
argument going again.) or my Gold Cup.  But if I had to pick between 
a .357 mag revolver and my Enforcer, I'd take the enforcer.

John

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