Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!seismo!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!planchet.rutgers.edu!nanotech From: 71450.1773@compuserve.com (Steven B. Harris) Newsgroups: sci.nanotech Subject: ...plus c'est la meme chose Message-ID: Date: 12 Jun 91 16:20:07 GMT Sender: nanotech@planchet.rutgers.edu Lines: 42 Approved: nanotech@aramis.rutgers.edu > (d) and for crissakes, let's invent a word to mean "memetic organism" or "meme complex"! --JoSH] < Comment: First of all, a meme complex may well be only that-- a package of related memes which does not function metaphorically like an organism because it does not contain implicit reproduc- tive directions and functions. I suggest that such a group of related memes that do little more than stick together in the mind and in transmission be called simply a "memebership." Physics lessons are memeberships. Some meme complexes, like jokes, puns, stories, jingles, poems, aphorisms, etc., are highly infective without being very complex. Perhaps these deserve a special word, but I haven't been able to come up with one. For the next step up in complexity-- the fully developed memetic organisms-- I can offer a couple of obvious portmanteau words like "meme-org" or "someme" [soma + meme]. However, perhaps we can do better. As noted, observed memetic organisms seem always to be highly evolved packages of philosophy/Weltan- schauung which are infective not only because of logic or utility or beauty of idea, but ALSO because of a built- in reproductive and/or proselytizing component. A common characteristic of memetic organisms, therefore, is noise or bothersomeness or missionary zeal, and thus I propose a more descriptive name for these creat- ures: "Screaming Meme-ies." See those bald-headed guys chanting "Hari Krisha, Hari Krishna, Hari Krishna, Hari Hari, Hari Rama, Hari Rama..."? You're seeing the effects of a genuine Screaming Meme-ie. Same with the guys in straw hats yelling "Four more years!" Same with those Jehovah's witnesses at your door, those Mormon missionaries, or those guys who try to sell you Dianetics on the sidewalk or send you cryonics handbooks from Riverside California . Hag-ridden all. -- Steve Harris P.S. Did you hear about the programmer who starved to death in his shower? All they found in there with him was a bottle of shampoo that said "Lather, rinse, repeat."