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From: tew@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (tricia.edge.wood)
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Subject: Re: birth control failure?
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Date: 10 Jun 91 14:43:59 GMT
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In article <676323635@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes:
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>In article <1991Jun7.145856.12680@cbfsb.att.com> ("tricia.edge.wood") writes:
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>>prevent an unwanted pregnancy.  If a man doesn't want children, he can
>>ignore the pregnancy as long as he is willing to give up his rights
>>(and responsibilities) to the child.  
>.........................................................................
>>option for birth control.  An option that she might be morally opposed
>
>I wonder how the same woman who can explain all the moral 
>problems that a woman may have with abortion assume that 
>most men will have no moral problems with physical abortion,
>or my proposed legal "abortion".
>
>Quiet a few feminists do view us (men) as very different alien 
>creatures, and that's, in *my* opinion, a basic flaw of feminism.

Wow...I explained "...all the moral problems that a woman may have with
abortion..."?  I said only that "she might be morally opposed [to an
abortion]."  Hardly explaining "*all* the moral problems."  And how on
earth do you decide that I assume that most men will have no moral
problems with abortion?  I do not; in fact, it seems to me that more
men than women are vocally opposed to abortion.  That's another topic
entirely, though, and for a different newsgroup.  My posting only pointed
out my objections to your so-called "legal abortion," as well as other
things you said in previous postings.

I am so glad, though, that I'm now a "feminist" in your eyes.  You
once dismissed my views in soc.women because I couldn't possibly be
a feminist since I disagreed with your view of the "one-and-only"
feminist stand.

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>>There's no way you'll ever see that as fair, Hillel.  I don't, either.
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>But you are happy with the situation as is.  Men have a destiny - to pay for 
>women's choices, and it is not a discrimination, just a matter of biology.

No, actually, I'm not happy with the situation as is.  But I did not
agree with your proposed solution.  As soon as I come up with a solution
that I think is better than the current situation, I'll let you know.

-T.E. Wood