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From: dente@ecad-lead-site.electrical-engineering.manchester.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
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Subject: Re: Rape on bicycle path
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Date: 10 Jun 91 08:36:49 GMT
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Note - the relevance of this to soc.feminism is getting a little
strained, but I do believe that this is a point of sufficient
importance to be worth making here.  I would suggest that any possible
ensuing discussion about the relative merits of the different arts
move to rec.martial-arts, though. - Colin

In article <16026.284f9dbe@zeus.unomaha.edu> oneil@zeus.unomaha.edu (Truth or Dare?) writes:
>
>
>In article <9106061355.aa04157@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@glacier.ICS.UCI.EDU (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>>[About the usefulness of serious martial arts training]
>
>	I agree with Cindy.  There's a difference between taking a few 
>	lessons in Judo for self-defense and actual serious study of the
>	martial arts.
 So do I...
>	
>	I also agree with Cindy when she discusses how serious study in
>	the martial arts can help lessen fear.  One thing that I learned in
>	the five years I have studied Judo is not to panic when there's a 
>	body on top of me.
I think that this is probably one of the most important things to
learn from the martial arts.
>
>	I fully believe that girls should be encouraged to take Judo.  It's
>	probably the best martial art that a woman could study.
Here I must disagree with you.  In the vast majority of cases, Judo
has become primarily a sport, with little emphasis on real fighting
(i.e. dirty stuff).  I would suggest that women (and men, for that
matter) who are serious about learning a martial art for its self
defence value would be best advised to look for a club offering either
Jiu Jitsu (the fighting art from which Judo was derived), Aiki Jitsu
(from which Aikido was derived), or one of the "harder" styles of
Aikido.  The reason why I suggest this is that these arts all stress
the importance of fighting methods that do not involve throwing, as
well as throwing.  I am 5'10", 180-ish pounds, and a blue belt in Jiu
Jitsu (effectively two belts below black belt), and I wouldn't
*consider* attempting to throw an attacker in a real situation - It's
just *too difficult*.

That said, I agree with most of what Sandra(? - sorry - I just deleted
your sig - perhaps I should call you Truth or Dare ;-)) says.

>	Not to mention the fact that when I'm actually able to devote time
>	to Judo, I have the /best/ body I could ever want.  :-) 
Maybe if I train harder I can become the 170 pound lean-mean-fighting-machine 
that I'd prefer to be ;-)

Colin

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