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From: skumar@smdvx1.intel.com (Sitanshu Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
Subject: J. Krishnamurti
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Date: 13 Jun 91 17:43:10 GMT
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There has been over past many weeks some remarks about J. Krishanmurti
and his teachings. Some of them have come from people who are followers
of some gurus(mostly Indian, or Japanase). As Krishnamurti vehemenently
attacked the idea of gurudom(not the gurus) the author has seen an attempt
to denigrate K by many people. It is one thing to say that one has not
understood what K is saying(if one has humility any one can understand)
and quite another to say he is wrong out of frustation, though it is perfectly
alright to tear apaat what he says using logic. So far the author has not seen
any such logic by any one on the net ot indeed anywhere in the world.(though
I am not a keen reader, I have had the chance to listen to various view point
in last 17 years). A seeker of truth in the ancient land of India first used
logic ( the art of logically arguing is called shastratha) only when logic
is completely exhausted that one can proceed further.
 
 I am outlining below the core of Krishnamurti teachings as I have understood
 it. You are free to ask as many questions as you like, and time permitting
 I will try to answer them. I hope it benefits the people who have been 
 previosly unable to understand them. It is completely an on the spot effort,
 I am not going to quote from any of his books. Once again it is my understanding.

 Core of K's techings.

 1. Choiceless awareness.

    An individual(here the word is a metaphor) of all the thoughts that arise
    in conciousness. At first it can be done by following each thought by
    another(metaphor) thought. After some close observation thought becomes
    aware of itself (first time reader may not understand this readily). 
    Awareness of thought as it moves leads to the emptying of the content
    of conciousness ( not of factual memory, but psychological memory) and
    the begining of meditation.

2. Effortlessness.

   At no point one should actively(by using thought) try to do anything,
   except watch . There must be no conformity at all to a set of words
   spoken words. Of course one should not conforn to the words written
   above, e.i. of trying to be effortless.

3. Compassion or Love.

  This is the most difficult to enumerate. Without this flower one can not
  walk a step on the so called spiritual journey. Vaguley it is the utmost
  concern for the well being ( metaphor) of everything.


  End Krisnamurti's teachings. (core)

  I have also come to know that some of the teachers pretend to be able to 
  grade others. What an ultimate hypocrisy and confusion. To attempt to
  infuse measure in to non measure is absolutely illogical business.( it
  can logically be shown by the author in case someone really wants to
  know) This Idea is rampant in Christianity( with Mr Christ at the top)
  and exist in hinduism and Bhuddism though to a much lesser extent. How
  doea any one else know how realized the other is??? It defies all
  logic. First be completely logical and then go beyond it. And what
  is the need to complile a who's who?? One wonders if this stems
  from one own self of inadeqacy of these teachers and followers??



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name:           Dr. Dinesh K. Prabhu
address:        Eloret Institute, M/S 230-2,
                NASA Ames Research Center,