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Subject: Re: Ahadith dilemma: # of prayers/day
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Date: 11 Jun 91 18:26:31 GMT
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In article <1991Jun10.020106.17010@wpi.WPI.EDU> mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mazen.mokhtar) writes:
>
>Assalamy `alaykum,
>
>In article <1991Jun6.010816.3944@nntp-server.caltech.edu> bes@tybalt.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:
>>
>>Concerning the woman who said "Ya Ali," when she stood up:  
>
>  Ali was the cousin of the messenger (PBUH). Ali means aproximately
>'high' as in noble. One of the names of Allah (God) is 'Al-Ali',
>which means 'The High' ie 'The Most High'. Please note the 'Al',
>which means 'The'. Names of Allah cannot be used as personal names,
>of course, but Ali is different from Al-Ali in spelling as well as
>in meaning.
>  
>  When comeone is calling on Allah in Arabic, the article 'Al' is
>no longer needed because of Arabic grammar, so one calls on Allah
>by saying 'Ya Ali' instead of 'Ya Al-Ali'. 'Ya' is used to call
>someone, similar to the english 'Oh' (eg: "Oh people, worship your
>Lord who has created you and those before you that you may be
>pious.")
> 
>  Therefore 'Ya Ali' is calling upon Allah. It is used by all groups
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		WRONG

I have asked our sheat brothers in regards, the answar was ---> ya ali
means, ya ali bin aby talib.   One kuwaity sheat brother always 
critisized his parents for stressing on Ali more that Muhammad (pbuh).

Also, see in iran, they put great celebrations for the birthday of Ali,
and nothing for that of Muhammad (pbuh).  Not that I agree with birthdays
either way.


I don't like to split muslims either, but people like ibin baz
that gave fatwa --> it is ok to full fill shamir's/bush's wish in slaughering
the IRAQIS and demolishing the only power the Arabs had that COULD
defeat israel <-- should be corrected seriously.


>of Muslims (I intensly dislike the division of Muslims into sects
>and try to avoid using sect names when possible. Muhammad did not
>belong to a sect, there is no reason why I should. I prefer to say
>that I am a Muslim who happens not to think that `Ali was
>designated to be the successor of Muhammad.)
>
>  Similarly:
>  Al-`Aziz is a name of Allah. `Aziz is a personal name of many. When
>calling on Allah, people often say: "Ya `Aziz". When calling `Aziz
>they would also say: "Ya `Aziz".
>
>Assalamu `alaykum,
>
>Mamdouh Maher