Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!jarober From: jarober@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (DE Robertson james an 740-9172) Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy Subject: Re: SUSPEND SYSOPS, NOT STUDENTS Message-ID: <1991Jun19.050956.8626@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> Date: 19 Jun 91 05:09:56 GMT References: <20740@slice.ooc.uva.nl> <20790@slice.ooc.uva.nl> <1991Jun18.033333.27450@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> <1991Jun18.174430.12050@dsd.es.com> Organization: Johns Hopkins University Lines: 56 rjones@baby.dsd.es.com (Ray Jones - Perp) writes: > I'm afraid that they are not "exactly analogous"... A house >provides different things to the owner than a computer... Houses give >shelter and protection, both from the elements and from other >people, privacy and such... The problem when someone enters your house >sans permission is that if you had been at home you probably would >have suffered some physical harm, etc... (Assuming that the intruder >was doing it with malicious intent)... A computer is a different >thing... It still provides privacy, etc... But someone breaking into >your system is not going to do you any physical harm... The most you >lose is some data, and possibly cputime... It's what happens with that >data... What if it's a hospital computer that monitors vital life signs ? Even if it's only a BBS system, you are still wasting someone elses CPU time for no good reason. Time and system resources are MONEY. Your actions are costing someone dollars. > If I wander around inside the building here, into a few >offices, etc.. Then I don't think I'm doing anything wrong (If I go >through someone's desk, then I am screwing up, since it is against >company policy...) If I give my badge (no keys here... Mag-strip >readers) to someone else on the outside... Who knows... No company I know of would view such behavoiur as ok - most would view it as improper at best. I consider it an invasion of privacy. > If someone saw that we used badges here, and knew how to copy >them or forge them, did, and then went into the building and walked up >to security, and told them that they didn't really work there, and >explained what they had done, with an offer to show them how to fix it >so that it wouldn't happen again, I doubt the people at security would >pass up the help that person would be offering them... You obviously haven't dealt with security people before, or you would not be making this statement. The above cource of action might well get you arrested. Without valid permission to be on site, you are trespassing. Where I work, you would be charged and prosecuted for it. > >>Develop a sense of right and wrong. >> >>jarober@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu > I have... I like mine, please don't give me yours... In my >opinion, yours is as useless to me as mine is to you... Please confine >your morals to yourself... From what I have read, you are AMORAL. respassing and violating my right to privacy is not an alternate morality, it is the absence of one. Just because you know HOW to take an action does not make it ok. jarober@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu