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From: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly)
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Subject: Re: If it does not pass TT it is not intelligent????
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Date: 20 Jun 91 13:37:45 GMT
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jbaxter@adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au.oz.au (Jon Baxter) writes
> 
> In article <1991Jun18.220932.22904@news.media.mit.edu>
> minsky@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky) writes:
> 
> > Please, Turing never meant the TT to be Necessary for people to
> > recognize something as intelligent.  It was only intended to be a
> > Sufficient condition.  And it was not to define intelligence, but only
> > to propose a situation in which non-critical people would usually agree.
> 
> Then what use is the Turing test? Sufficiently non-critical people think
> that Eliza is intelligent, but anyone with computing knowledge would disagree.
> Did Turing really mean for the people in his test to be non-critical?
> 
> Jon Baxter.


There is an in-between proposal; the Turing Test Quotient. The TTQ is
a log measure of the time taken by an average set of people to
uncover which is the machine.

Eliza fools to a maximum of about 0.5 units I guess (1 unit 6 mins, 2
units 60, three 600 mins etc).

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