Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!uvaarpa!vger.nsu.edu!manes From: manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) Newsgroups: comp.multimedia Subject: Re: NeXT/Amiga Multimedia.. Message-ID: <1088.285f20bb@vger.nsu.edu> Date: 19 Jun 91 13:15:39 GMT References: <22028@cbmvax.commodore.com> <1991Jun11.143911.11688@milton.u.washington.edu><14192@dog.ee.lbl.gov> Lines: 103 In article , jcb@NCD.COM (Jim Becker) writes: > I hesitate to get involved in this, but here goes... > > arctngnt@amiganet.chi.il.us (Bowie J Poag) writes: > > [Overzealous Arctngnt posting deleted] > > No -- you are wrong. The problem has been with the parent company, > Commodore Business Machines. The technology is great, and has been > great, for six years. However, CBM has not nurtured the machine, and > has in fact created the rut into which the Amiga has languished. > I have been a Amiga supporter since 1985. I have watched Commodore change and grow from essentially a wreck to a real computer company. I am so tired of the 'Commodore' bashing. Yes, they could spend more on advertising, and yes, overall the company could be managed better, but they _have_ nurtured the machine. Remember, management approves of the work done by engineering. The management of Commodore have not screwed up the Amiga technology. In fact, it has been improved. Consider the Amiga 3000! > There were many people working for the success of the Amiga for years, > some of them doing Multimedia (myself included). Over time developers > got frustrated at the antics and lack of support from the parent > company for their own machine. Hence most all of the original Amiga > zealots and supporters have changed over the years, replaced by those > that know nothing of the history of the machine - and why it's where > it is today. Can you give a decent example of support that you expect that you did not get or is not available now? CATS has been very supportive of my efforts. > > There continue to be waves of Amiga zealots, and there should be for > the capability of the machine. However you will grow up and understand > why the NeXT has a true chance of success for Multimedia, and the > Amiga doesn't. "Capability" and "potential" don't make the machine -- > success is a lot more complex than mere technical prowess and facts. > Giggle... Let me see if I understand what you are saying. You are saying that because of Commodore management that people are going to rush to the NeXT for their multimedia needs? I kinda doubt it. I suspect that all that will happen is that Bill Gate's nightmare that he calls 'multimedia' will get accepted by the blind masses. Everytime I think about the MMPC I simply want to toss my cookies. The NeXT is in the same position as Commodore. The NeXT does not run MS/DOS, it has its own idea of a windowing system, and frankly has just as bad marketing practices. Now lets consider the machine: NeXT has a 'bastard' machine that costs too much and is not supported enough to make people say "Yes, the NeXT is the solution", instead they are saying "At this price, why not buy a Sun?" Don't start singing 'educational discount' as the people that will use multimedia for commercial uses will not qualify for this discount. I think Commodore has carefully put the A3000 in the position so that the question of "Why not buy a Sun?" is not asked. NeXT has missed the concept of 'value for the dollar' and that is not surprising considering the heritage of management. > > So the prepetual cycle of ignorance continues to this day. > That we agree on. > [ ... ] > > My advice to you is to pick up an Amiga sometimes. You seem ill-informed. Theh > mabye youll stop your >>>>>NeXT/Amiga whining. > > There are plenty of used ones available on the network.. I sold mine for $200. I see your true colors show. You are a ex-A1000 owner. That explains a lot of your message. I also have a A1000, and had it since 1985. It is a nice machine. I certainly will admit that the A1000 did not see the same support that the rest of the Amiga line has. Take another look, the Commodore of 1986 does not exist anymore. > > -- > -- > -Jim Becker / jcb@ncd.com / Network Computing Devices, Inc. (NCD) -mark= +--------+ ================================================== | \/ | Mark D. Manes "The Most lopsided deal since ..." | /\ \/ | manes@vger.nsu.edu | / | (804) 683-2532 "Make up your own mind! - AMIGA" +--------+ ================================================== "I protest Captain! I am not a merry man!" - Lt. Worf