Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!randvax!edhall From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) Newsgroups: comp.music Subject: Re: reality and computer sound [was WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS NEWSGROUP?] Keywords: question for discussion Message-ID: <1991Jun18.015511.7330@rand.org> Date: 18 Jun 91 01:55:11 GMT References: <1871@culhua.prg.ox.ac.uk> <2100@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> <1991Jun14.164758.23557@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: usenet@rand.org Organization: The RAND Corporation Lines: 43 Nntp-Posting-Host: ives In article <1991Jun14.164758.23557@agate.berkeley.edu> maverick@mahogany.Berkeley.EDU (Vance Maverick) writes: >What is the relevance of real sounds to computer music? Gerald Balzano >took a radical position in his article "What Are Musical Pitch and >Timbre?" [Music Perception 3(3), Spring 1986]: briefly, that the >sensations of timbre are really a perception of the dynamic systems >underlying the production of the sound, and thus that electronic music >is doomed to sound "electronic", i.e. less than musical, unless we tap >such dynamic systems in synthesis. I incline much more to the Jim >Randall-type position that if some piece of music sounds "merely >electronic", that's the fault of the composer or possibly the listener; >that nothing intrinsic to "a timbre" prevents our learning to make its >context make music of it. Why look for a simple distinction? Our perception of timbre is strongly affected by experience--both personal and evolutionary-- of those "dynamic systems" around us. But this isn't necesarily an end-point for synthesis; rather, it can be a stepping-off point. "Natural" sounds carry a lot of experiential baggage with them-- baggage that can be musically very useful (or merely distracting). One of the things that technology allows us to do is to play on these associations. As a simple example, consider simulations of room acoustics: models of reverberation can serve a role analogous to perspective in the visual arts. By playing on the listener's experience of the sonic ambiance of different spaces, we have a tool for suggesting the size and even the construction of our "environment," and even a reference point for movement within it. Never mind that this "space" might be as artificial as an Escher print, with parametric changes that defy physical law. It still can be heavily evocative of moods and associations within the listener. In my opinion, this tapping of the listener's experiences is near- essential for creating anything beyond a superficial involvement in a piece of music. (The experiences can be quite recent--even involving the same piece of music--or can go back to more primal things from commonly-experienced physical, cultural, or evolutionary events [by "evolutionary" I mean "neurobiological"].) What gets interesting for me is when the simultaneous sensations of recognition and surprise produce a new experience--one of musical pleasure. -Ed Hall edhall@rand.org