Xref: utzoo comp.org.eff.talk:2769 misc.legal:27012 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!unixhub!ditka!zinn!mem From: mem@zinn.MV.COM (Mark E. Mallett) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal Subject: Re: Public Access Sites -- concerns, problems, and precedents Message-ID: <1399@zinn.MV.COM> Date: 18 Jun 91 06:28:57 GMT References: <1991Jun17.051532.6155@ddsw1.MCS.COM> Sender: news@ditka.Chicago.COM (Pulitzer at ditka) Organization: Zinn Computer Co., Litchfield NH Lines: 46 In article <1991Jun17.051532.6155@ddsw1.MCS.COM> karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) writes: > [ Much interesting commentary omitted ] > >Is it illegal to know how to break into a computer, even if one never uses >that information to break into any systems? Should I be able to be punished >for telling others how to break into a system if I know how to do so? Remember Ken Thompson's famous paper describing how he modified the login program, and then modified the C compiler to modify the login program (and the C compiler)? I wonder if he'd publish such a thing now. Richard Feynman ("surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman!") told many stories of his mischeivous nature. In one, while at Los Alamos, he made it a habit to surrepticiously steal combinations to all of the locked files, safes, and so forth, during the atom bomb project. If that were now, and he told the story, would he remain a free man? -mm- --- "Schemes to subvert the liberties of a great community require time to mature them for execution. An army, so large as seriously to menace those liberties, could only be formed by progressive augmentations; which would suppose not merely a temporary combination between the legislature and the executive, but a continued conspiracy for a series of time. Is it probable that such a combination would exist at all? Is it probable that it would be perserved in, and transmitted along through all the successive variations in a representative body, which biennial elections would naturally produce in both houses? Is it presumable that every man the instant he took his seat in the national Senate or House of Representatives would commence a traitor to his constituents and to his country? Can it be supposed that there would not be found one man discerning enough to detect so attrocious a conspiracy, or bold or honest enough to apprise his constituents of their danger? If such presumptions can fairly be made, there ought to be at once an end of all delegated authority." Alexander Hamilton the Federalist Papers, #26 -- Mark E. Mallett Zinn Computer Co/ PO Box 4188/ Manchester NH/ 03103 Bus. Phone: 603 645 5069 Home: 603 424 8129 BIX: mmallett uucp: mem@zinn.MV.COM ( ...{decvax|elrond|harvard}!zinn!mem ) Northern MA and Southern NH consultants: Ask (in mail!) about MV.COM