Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!A.ISI.EDU!PADLIPSKY From: PADLIPSKY@A.ISI.EDU (Michael Padlipsky) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: IP and Coloured Book Software in the UK Message-ID: <12694360385.18.PADLIPSKY@A.ISI.EDU> Date: 18 Jun 91 03:24:16 GMT References: <5358@syma.sussex.ac.uk> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 36 [I, of course, replied:] Hi-- The "Open" in OSI was originally touted as being the antithesis of Proprietary. "Anybody can do it" sort of thing. Thus, depending on your view of the comprehensibility of ISO specs, TCP/IP is arguably MORE "open" than OSI, and in no meaningful sense less so. (The lack of blessing by an international standards organization is both circular reasoning and, to some, a further argument in TCP/IP's favor [though rarely in its favour, apparently (just a little Panatlantic orthographical humo{u}r, there)].) Assuming you've figured out which side I'm on, I'll touch briefly on why I'd claim the Colourisers SHOULD have known better: by the late '70s TCP/IP implementations were running whilst the only thing the ISORMites had running was their mouths. (Plus, rudimentary awareness of the pace of the international standards process should have indicated that it would take quite some time for OSI to overcome TCP/IP's chronological lead. Say, at least half-a-dozen years as of the late '70s. That it's a dozen and counting by now could not necessarily have been anticipated, but was at least implicit in some technoaesthetic critques of the early '80s.) For more on "ISORMites", and what somebody once called the "electropolitics" of it all in a review, see M. A. Padlipsky, _The Elements of Networking Style_, Prentice-Hall, 1985, and--lest I be accused of advertizing-- Marshall Rose, _The Open Book_, Prentice-Hall, 1990. Although the conclusions do differ, both books do, in my view, adduce rather similar evidence about the technoholy wars between what I call the ARM (ARPANET Reference Model) and the ISORM (ISO Reference Model) --or, more accurately, between the adherents of the ARM and the ISORM. cheers, map -------